All of lore.kernel.org
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mingo@elte.hu,
	laijs@cn.fujitsu.com, dipankar@in.ibm.com,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com,
	josh@joshtriplett.org, niv@us.ibm.com, tglx@linutronix.de,
	rostedt@goodmis.org, dhowells@redhat.com, edumazet@google.com,
	darren@dvhart.com, sbw@mit.edu
Subject: Re: [PATCH] rcu: Is it safe to enter an RCU read-side critical section?
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 14:13:31 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130909121329.GA16280@somewhere> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130909105347.GK31370@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Mon, Sep 09, 2013 at 12:53:47PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 06, 2013 at 08:59:29PM +0200, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
> > Imagine that you're running on an rcu read side critical section on CPU 0, which
> > is not in extended quiescent state. Now you get preempted in the middle of your
> > RCU read side critical section (you called rcu_read_lock() but not yet rcu_read_unlock()).
> > 
> > Later on, the task is woken up to be scheduled in CPU 1. If CPU 1 is in extended
> > quiescent state because it runs is userspace, it receives a scheduler IPI,
> > then schedule_user() is called by the end of the interrupt and in turns calls rcu_user_exit()
> > before the task is resumed to the code it was running on CPU 0, in the middle of
> > the rcu read side extended quiescent state.
> > 
> > See, the key here is the rcu_user_exit() that restore the CPU on RCU's state machine.
> > There are other possible scheduler entrypoints when a CPU runs in user extended quiescent
> > state: exception and syscall entries or even preempt_schedule_irq() in case we receive an irq
> > in the kernel while we haven't yet reached the call to rcu_user_exit()... All of these should
> > be covered, otherwise you bet RCU would be prompt to warn.
> > 
> > That's why when we call rcu_is_cpu_idle() from an RCU read side critical section, it's legit even
> > if we can be preempted anytime around it.
> > And preempt_disable() is probably not even necessary, except perhaps if __get_cpu_var() itself
> > relies on non-preemptibility for its own correctness on the address calculation.
> 
> I've tried reading that trice now, still not making much sense.
> 
> In any case rcu_is_cpu_idle() is complete bollocks, either use
> __raw_get_cpu_var() and add a _coherent_ explanation for why its right,
> or its broken.
> 
> In any case the preempt_disable/enable pair there is just plain wrong as
> Eric pointed out.

Check this:

34240697d619c439c55f21989680024dcb604aab "rcu: Disable preemption in rcu_is_cpu_idle()"

  reply	other threads:[~2013-09-09 12:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 98+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-09-05 19:52 [PATCH] rcu: Is it safe to enter an RCU read-side critical section? Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-05 20:25 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-05 20:59   ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-05 21:05     ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-05 23:40       ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-06 10:59 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-09-06 15:18   ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-06 15:33     ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-06 16:40       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-09-06 16:52         ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-06 16:58           ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-06 17:00           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-09-06 17:16             ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-06 17:52               ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-06 17:56                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-06 18:21                 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-07  0:49                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-07  1:19                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2013-09-08  1:55                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-09 10:56                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-06 17:21     ` Eric Dumazet
2013-09-06 17:41       ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-06 18:59         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-09-06 20:38           ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-09 10:53           ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-09 12:13             ` Frederic Weisbecker [this message]
2013-09-09 12:39               ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-09 12:45                 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-09-09 12:55                   ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-09 13:08                     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-09-09 13:21                       ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-09 13:29                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-09 13:29                         ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-09 13:37                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-09 13:48                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-09 14:40                           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-09-09 15:20                             ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-09 15:39                               ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-09 16:03                                 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-09-09 16:09                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-09 16:30                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-09 16:56                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-09 16:21                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-09 13:45                         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-09-09 13:56                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-09 14:16                             ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-09 16:17                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-09 16:34                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-09 16:58                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-09 17:06                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-09 17:45                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-09 17:29                                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2013-09-09 17:56                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-09 18:36                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-09 18:50                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-09 21:40                                         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2013-09-09 21:59                                           ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-09 22:34                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-11 14:13                                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-11 14:26                                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-11 15:23                                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-11 15:49                                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-11 16:03                                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-09 13:14                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-09 13:29                       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-09-09 13:41                         ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-09 13:49                           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-09-09 13:50                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-09 13:46                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-09 13:55                         ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-09 16:22                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-09 16:40                             ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-09 17:45                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-09 13:23             ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-09 13:36               ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-09 13:53                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-09 16:18                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-09 14:49                 ` Christoph Lameter
2013-09-09 15:08                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-09 15:24                     ` Christoph Lameter
2013-09-09 15:41                       ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-09 15:47                         ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-09 16:00                       ` Ingo Molnar
2013-09-09 16:03                         ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-09 16:11                           ` Ingo Molnar
2013-09-10 21:37                             ` Christoph Lameter
2013-09-12  6:39                               ` Ingo Molnar
2013-09-12 14:20                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2013-09-10 21:28                         ` Christoph Lameter
2013-09-12  6:38                           ` Ingo Molnar
2013-09-12 14:43                             ` Christoph Lameter
2013-09-09 16:15                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-10  4:07                   ` Mike Galbraith
2013-09-09 13:36               ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-09 14:21               ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-09 16:26                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-09 16:42                   ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-09 16:59                     ` Paul E. McKenney

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=20130909121329.GA16280@somewhere \
    --to=fweisbec@gmail.com \
    --cc=akpm@linux-foundation.org \
    --cc=darren@dvhart.com \
    --cc=dhowells@redhat.com \
    --cc=dipankar@in.ibm.com \
    --cc=edumazet@google.com \
    --cc=eric.dumazet@gmail.com \
    --cc=josh@joshtriplett.org \
    --cc=laijs@cn.fujitsu.com \
    --cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com \
    --cc=mingo@elte.hu \
    --cc=niv@us.ibm.com \
    --cc=paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com \
    --cc=peterz@infradead.org \
    --cc=rostedt@goodmis.org \
    --cc=sbw@mit.edu \
    --cc=tglx@linutronix.de \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is an external index of several public inboxes,
see mirroring instructions on how to clone and mirror
all data and code used by this external index.