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From: Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mingo@elte.hu,
	laijs@cn.fujitsu.com, dipankar@in.ibm.com,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com,
	josh@joshtriplett.org, niv@us.ibm.com, tglx@linutronix.de,
	dhowells@redhat.com, edumazet@google.com, darren@dvhart.com,
	sbw@mit.edu
Subject: Re: [PATCH] rcu: Is it safe to enter an RCU read-side critical section?
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 15:29:02 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130909132900.GE16280@somewhere> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130909131452.GA31370@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Mon, Sep 09, 2013 at 03:14:52PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 09, 2013 at 08:55:04AM -0400, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> > On Mon, 9 Sep 2013 14:45:49 +0200
> > Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> >  
> > > > This just proves that the caller of rcu_is_cpu_idle() must disable
> > > > preemption itself for the entire time that it needs to use the result
> > > > of rcu_is_cpu_idle().
> > > 
> > > Sorry, I don't understand your point here. What's wrong with checking the
> > > ret from another CPU?
> > 
> > Hmm, OK, this is why that code is in desperate need of a comment.
> > 
> > From reading the context a bit more, it seems that the per cpu value is
> > more a "per task" value that happens to be using per cpu variables, and
> > changes on context switches. Is that correct?
> > 
> > Anyway, it requires a comment to explain that we are not checking the
> > CPU state, but really the current task state, otherwise that 'ret'
> > value wouldn't travel with the task, but would stick with the CPU.
> 
> Egads.. and the only reason we couldn't do the immediate load is because
> of that atomic mess.
> 
> Also, if its per-task, why don't we have this in the task struct? The
> current scheme makes the context switch more expensive -- is this the
> right trade-off?

No, putting that on the task_struct won't help much in this regard I think.
Regular schedule() calls don't change that per cpu state.

Only preempt_schedule_irq() and schedule_user() are concerned with rcu eqs state
exit/restore. But still storing that on task struct won't help.

> 
> So maybe something like:
> 
> int rcu_is_cpu_idle(void)
> {
> 	/*
> 	 * Comment explaining that rcu_dynticks.dynticks really is a
> 	 * per-task something and we need preemption-safe loading.
> 	 */
> 	atomic_t dynticks = this_cpu_read(rcu_dynticks.dynticks);
> 	return !(__atomic_read(&dynticks) & 0x01);
> }
> 
> Where __atomic_read() would be like atomic_read() but without the
> volatile crap since that's entirely redundant here I think.
> 
> The this_cpu_read() should ensure we get a preemption-safe copy of the
> value.
> 
> Once that this_cpu stuff grows preemption checks we'd need something
> like __raw_this_cpu_read() or whatever the variant without preemption
> checks will be called.

Yeah I thought about using this_cpu_read() too, lets wait for the preemption
checks to get in.

  reply	other threads:[~2013-09-09 13:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 98+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-09-05 19:52 [PATCH] rcu: Is it safe to enter an RCU read-side critical section? Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-05 20:25 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-05 20:59   ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-05 21:05     ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-05 23:40       ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-06 10:59 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-09-06 15:18   ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-06 15:33     ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-06 16:40       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-09-06 16:52         ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-06 16:58           ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-06 17:00           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-09-06 17:16             ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-06 17:52               ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-06 17:56                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-06 18:21                 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-07  0:49                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-07  1:19                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2013-09-08  1:55                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-09 10:56                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-06 17:21     ` Eric Dumazet
2013-09-06 17:41       ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-06 18:59         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-09-06 20:38           ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-09 10:53           ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-09 12:13             ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-09-09 12:39               ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-09 12:45                 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-09-09 12:55                   ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-09 13:08                     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-09-09 13:21                       ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-09 13:29                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-09 13:29                         ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-09 13:37                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-09 13:48                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-09 14:40                           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-09-09 15:20                             ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-09 15:39                               ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-09 16:03                                 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-09-09 16:09                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-09 16:30                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-09 16:56                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-09 16:21                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-09 13:45                         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-09-09 13:56                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-09 14:16                             ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-09 16:17                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-09 16:34                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-09 16:58                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-09 17:06                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-09 17:45                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-09 17:29                                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2013-09-09 17:56                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-09 18:36                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-09 18:50                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-09 21:40                                         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2013-09-09 21:59                                           ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-09 22:34                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-11 14:13                                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-11 14:26                                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-11 15:23                                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-11 15:49                                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-11 16:03                                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-09 13:14                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-09 13:29                       ` Frederic Weisbecker [this message]
2013-09-09 13:41                         ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-09 13:49                           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-09-09 13:50                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-09 13:46                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-09 13:55                         ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-09 16:22                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-09 16:40                             ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-09 17:45                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-09 13:23             ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-09 13:36               ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-09 13:53                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-09 16:18                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-09 14:49                 ` Christoph Lameter
2013-09-09 15:08                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-09 15:24                     ` Christoph Lameter
2013-09-09 15:41                       ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-09 15:47                         ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-09 16:00                       ` Ingo Molnar
2013-09-09 16:03                         ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-09 16:11                           ` Ingo Molnar
2013-09-10 21:37                             ` Christoph Lameter
2013-09-12  6:39                               ` Ingo Molnar
2013-09-12 14:20                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2013-09-10 21:28                         ` Christoph Lameter
2013-09-12  6:38                           ` Ingo Molnar
2013-09-12 14:43                             ` Christoph Lameter
2013-09-09 16:15                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-10  4:07                   ` Mike Galbraith
2013-09-09 13:36               ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-09 14:21               ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-09 16:26                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-09 16:42                   ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-09 16:59                     ` Paul E. McKenney

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