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From: thierry.reding@gmail.com (Thierry Reding)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCHv4] video: backlight: gpio-backlight: Add DT support.
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 13:05:25 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20131024110524.GB11296@ulmo.nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2730370.0UKsY9Ox0H@avalon>

On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 12:38:59AM +0200, Laurent Pinchart wrote:
> Hi Thierry,
> 
> On Wednesday 23 October 2013 22:20:12 Thierry Reding wrote:
> > On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 05:51:13PM +0100, Stephen Warren wrote:
> > > On 10/22/2013 09:01 PM, Thierry Reding wrote:
> > > > On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 05:34:45PM +0200, Jean-Christophe
> > > 
> > > > PLAGNIOL-VILLARD wrote:
> > > ...
> > > 
> > > >> I'm sorry but the blacklight descibe in DT have nothing to do
> > > >> with the common pratice that the current driver have today
> > > > 
> > > > That's not at all what I said. What I said was that the majority
> > > > of backlight drivers currently default to turning the backlight on
> > > > when probed. Therefore I think it would be consistent if this
> > > > driver did the same.
> > > > 
> > > > I also said that I don't think it's a very good default, but at the
> > > > same time we can't just go and change the default behaviour at will
> > > > because people may rely on it.
> > > 
> > > It may well be reasonable to change the default behaviour for devices
> > > instantiated from DT. If it's not possible to instantiate the device
> > > from DT yet, then it's not possible for anyone to be relying on the
> > > default behaviour yet, since there is none. So, perhaps the default
> > > could be:
> > > 
> > > * If device instantiated from a board file, default to on, for
> > > backwards-compatibility.
> > > 
> > > * If device instantiated from DT, there is no backwards compatibility
> > > to be concerned with, since this is a new feature, hence default to
> > > off, since we think that's the correct thing to do.
> > 
> > I actually had a patch to do precisely that. However I then realized
> > that people have actually been using pwm-backlight in DT for a while
> > already and therefore may be relying on that behaviour as well.
> > 
> > It also isn't really an issue of DT vs. non-DT. The simple fact is that
> > besides the backlight driver there's usually no other code that enables
> > a backlight on boot. The only way to do so that I know of is using the
> > DRM panel patches that I've been working on.
> 
> I would very much welcome a refactoring of the backlight code that would 
> remove the fbdev dependency and hook backlights to panel drivers. That's 
> something I wanted to work on myself, but that I pushed back after CDF :-)

Yeah, that would certainly be very welcome. But it's also a pretty
daunting job since there are a whole lot of devices out there that
aren't easy to test because, well, they're pretty old and chances
are that nobody that actually has one is around.

But I guess that we can always try to solve it on a best effort basis,
though. Perhaps things can even be done in a backwards-compatible way.
I'm thinking for instance that we could introduce a new property, say
.enable, but keep any of the others suhc as state, power, fb_blank for
backwards-compatibility. Perhaps even emulate them for a while until
we've gone and cleaned up all users.

Or is there still a reason to have more than a single bit for backlight
state? I don't know any hardware that actually makes a difference
between FB_BLANK_NORMAL, FB_BLANK_VSYNC_SUSPEND, FB_BLANK_HSYNC_SUSPEND
or FB_BLANK_POWERDOWN. Many drivers in drivers/video seem to be using
those, but for backlights I can see no use other than FB_BLANK_UNBLANK
meaning enabled and anything else meaning disabled.

Thierry
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From: Thierry Reding <thierry.reding-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
To: Laurent Pinchart
	<laurent.pinchart-ryLnwIuWjnjg/C1BVhZhaw@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Stephen Warren <swarren-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>,
	Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
	<plagnioj-sclMFOaUSTBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>,
	Denis Carikli <denis-fO0SIAKYzcbQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>,
	devicetree-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Ian Campbell
	<ijc+devicetree-KcIKpvwj1kUDXYZnReoRVg@public.gmane.org>,
	Eric B??nard <eric-fO0SIAKYzcbQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Pawel Moll <pawel.moll-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>,
	Jingoo Han <jg1.han-Sze3O3UU22JBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Rob Herring <rob.herring-bsGFqQB8/DxBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Richard Purdie <rpurdie-Fm38FmjxZ/leoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>,
	Sascha Hauer <kernel-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-arm-kernel-IAPFreCvJWM7uuMidbF8XUB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org,
	Lothar Wa??mann
	<LW-AvR2QvxeiV7DiMYJYoSAnRvVK+yQ3ZXh@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCHv4] video: backlight: gpio-backlight: Add DT support.
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 13:05:25 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20131024110524.GB11296@ulmo.nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2730370.0UKsY9Ox0H@avalon>

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On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 12:38:59AM +0200, Laurent Pinchart wrote:
> Hi Thierry,
> 
> On Wednesday 23 October 2013 22:20:12 Thierry Reding wrote:
> > On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 05:51:13PM +0100, Stephen Warren wrote:
> > > On 10/22/2013 09:01 PM, Thierry Reding wrote:
> > > > On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 05:34:45PM +0200, Jean-Christophe
> > > 
> > > > PLAGNIOL-VILLARD wrote:
> > > ...
> > > 
> > > >> I'm sorry but the blacklight descibe in DT have nothing to do
> > > >> with the common pratice that the current driver have today
> > > > 
> > > > That's not at all what I said. What I said was that the majority
> > > > of backlight drivers currently default to turning the backlight on
> > > > when probed. Therefore I think it would be consistent if this
> > > > driver did the same.
> > > > 
> > > > I also said that I don't think it's a very good default, but at the
> > > > same time we can't just go and change the default behaviour at will
> > > > because people may rely on it.
> > > 
> > > It may well be reasonable to change the default behaviour for devices
> > > instantiated from DT. If it's not possible to instantiate the device
> > > from DT yet, then it's not possible for anyone to be relying on the
> > > default behaviour yet, since there is none. So, perhaps the default
> > > could be:
> > > 
> > > * If device instantiated from a board file, default to on, for
> > > backwards-compatibility.
> > > 
> > > * If device instantiated from DT, there is no backwards compatibility
> > > to be concerned with, since this is a new feature, hence default to
> > > off, since we think that's the correct thing to do.
> > 
> > I actually had a patch to do precisely that. However I then realized
> > that people have actually been using pwm-backlight in DT for a while
> > already and therefore may be relying on that behaviour as well.
> > 
> > It also isn't really an issue of DT vs. non-DT. The simple fact is that
> > besides the backlight driver there's usually no other code that enables
> > a backlight on boot. The only way to do so that I know of is using the
> > DRM panel patches that I've been working on.
> 
> I would very much welcome a refactoring of the backlight code that would 
> remove the fbdev dependency and hook backlights to panel drivers. That's 
> something I wanted to work on myself, but that I pushed back after CDF :-)

Yeah, that would certainly be very welcome. But it's also a pretty
daunting job since there are a whole lot of devices out there that
aren't easy to test because, well, they're pretty old and chances
are that nobody that actually has one is around.

But I guess that we can always try to solve it on a best effort basis,
though. Perhaps things can even be done in a backwards-compatible way.
I'm thinking for instance that we could introduce a new property, say
.enable, but keep any of the others suhc as state, power, fb_blank for
backwards-compatibility. Perhaps even emulate them for a while until
we've gone and cleaned up all users.

Or is there still a reason to have more than a single bit for backlight
state? I don't know any hardware that actually makes a difference
between FB_BLANK_NORMAL, FB_BLANK_VSYNC_SUSPEND, FB_BLANK_HSYNC_SUSPEND
or FB_BLANK_POWERDOWN. Many drivers in drivers/video seem to be using
those, but for backlights I can see no use other than FB_BLANK_UNBLANK
meaning enabled and anything else meaning disabled.

Thierry

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  reply	other threads:[~2013-10-24 11:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-10-18 15:04 [PATCH 01/11] of: add vendor prefix for Eukréa Electromatique Denis Carikli
2013-10-18 15:04 ` Denis Carikli
2013-10-18 15:04 ` [PATCH 02/11] video: imxfb: Introduce regulator support Denis Carikli
2013-10-18 15:04   ` Denis Carikli
2013-10-19 10:45   ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2013-10-19 10:45     ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2013-10-21  9:13     ` [PATCHv4] video: backlight: gpio-backlight: Add DT support Denis Carikli
2013-10-21  9:13       ` Denis Carikli
2013-10-21 22:48       ` Laurent Pinchart
2013-10-21 22:48         ` Laurent Pinchart
2013-10-22  5:11         ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2013-10-22  5:11           ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2013-10-22  4:58       ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2013-10-22  4:58         ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2013-10-22  7:23         ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-22  7:23           ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-22 15:34           ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2013-10-22 15:34             ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2013-10-22 20:01             ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-22 20:01               ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-23 13:42               ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2013-10-23 13:42                 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2013-10-23 16:49                 ` Stephen Warren
2013-10-23 16:49                   ` Stephen Warren
2013-10-23 20:08                   ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-23 20:08                     ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-23 16:51               ` Stephen Warren
2013-10-23 16:51                 ` Stephen Warren
2013-10-23 20:20                 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-23 20:20                   ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-23 22:38                   ` Laurent Pinchart
2013-10-23 22:38                     ` Laurent Pinchart
2013-10-24 11:05                     ` Thierry Reding [this message]
2013-10-24 11:05                       ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-25 13:57                       ` Laurent Pinchart
2013-10-25 13:57                         ` Laurent Pinchart
2013-10-31 23:44                         ` Jingoo Han
2013-10-31 23:44                           ` Jingoo Han
2013-11-01  9:57                           ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-01  9:57                             ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-04  0:20                             ` Jingoo Han
2013-11-04  0:20                               ` Jingoo Han
2013-10-31 23:37               ` Jingoo Han
2013-10-31 23:37                 ` Jingoo Han
2013-11-01 10:13                 ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-01 10:13                   ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-06  0:08                   ` Laurent Pinchart
2013-11-06  0:08                     ` Laurent Pinchart
2013-10-25 20:10       ` Grant Likely
2013-10-25 20:10         ` Grant Likely

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