From: laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com (Laurent Pinchart)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCHv4] video: backlight: gpio-backlight: Add DT support.
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2013 01:08:35 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3967459.E0IoUGONBn@avalon> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131101101346.GK27864@ulmo.nvidia.com>
Hi Thierry,
On Friday 01 November 2013 11:13:47 Thierry Reding wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 01, 2013 at 08:37:23AM +0900, Jingoo Han wrote:
> > On Wednesday, October 23, 2013 5:02 AM, Thierry Reding wrote:
> > > On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 05:34:45PM +0200, Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-
VILLARD wrote:
> > > > On 09:23 Tue 22 Oct , Thierry Reding wrote:
> > > > > On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 06:58:33AM +0200, Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-
VILLARD wrote:
> > > > > > On 11:13 Mon 21 Oct , Denis Carikli wrote:
> > > > > > > Cc: Richard Purdie <rpurdie@rpsys.net>
> > > > > > > Cc: Jingoo Han <jg1.han@samsung.com>
> > > > > > > Cc: Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>
> > > > > > > Cc: Rob Herring <rob.herring@calxeda.com>
> > > > > > > Cc: Pawel Moll <pawel.moll@arm.com>
> > > > > > > Cc: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>
> > > > > > > Cc: Stephen Warren <swarren@wwwdotorg.org>
> > > > > > > Cc: Ian Campbell <ijc+devicetree@hellion.org.uk>
> > > > > > > Cc: devicetree at vger.kernel.org
> > > > > > > Cc: Sascha Hauer <kernel@pengutronix.de>
> > > > > > > Cc: linux-arm-kernel at lists.infradead.org
> > > > > > > Cc: Lothar Wa?mann <LW@KARO-electronics.de>
> > > > > > > Cc: Jean-Christophe Plagniol-Villard <plagnioj@jcrosoft.com>
> > > > > > > Cc: Eric B?nard <eric@eukrea.com>
> > > > > > > Signed-off-by: Denis Carikli <denis@eukrea.com>
> > > > > > > ---
> > > > > > > ChangeLog v3->v4:
> > > > > > > - The default-brightness property is now optional, it defaults
> > > > > > > to 1 if not set.> > > > >
> > > > > > by default we set OFF not ON
> > > > > >
> > > > > > do not actiate driver or properti by default you can not known to
> > > > > > consequence on the hw
> > > > >
> > > > > Turning on a backlight by default is what pretty much every
> > > > > backlight driver does. I personally think that's the wrong default,
> > > > > I even tried to get some discussion started recently about how we
> > > > > could change this. However, given that this has been the case for
> > > > > possibly as long as the subsystem has existed, suddenly changing it
> > > > > might cause quite a few of our users to boot the new kernel and not
> > > > > see their display come up. As with any other ABI, this isn't
> > > > > something we can just change without a very good migration path.
> > > >
> > > > I'm sorry but the blacklight descibe in DT have nothing to do with the
> > > > common pratice that the current driver have today
> > >
> > > That's not at all what I said. What I said was that the majority of
> > > backlight drivers currently default to turning the backlight on when
> > > probed. Therefore I think it would be consistent if this driver did the
> > > same.
> > >
> > > I also said that I don't think it's a very good default, but at the same
> > > time we can't just go and change the default behaviour at will because
> > > people may rely on it.
> >
> > I agree with your opinion.
> > But, I can't decide how to change it.
>
> One solution that Stephen proposed was to make all DT-based setups use a
> new default (off). An advantage of that is that such setups are still
> fairly actively being worked on, so we can probably get early adopters
> to cope with the new default.
>
> Looking through some DTS files it seems that many use the pwm-backlight
> driver. So if we can get some concensus from all the users that changing
> the default would be okay, then I think we could reasonably change it.
>
> Another solution perhaps would be to add a property to DT which encodes
> the default state of the backlight on boot. This used to be impossible
> because the general concensus was that DT should describe hardware only
> and not software policy. During the kernel summit this requirement was
> somewhat relaxed and it should now be okay to describe system
> configuration data, and I think this would be a good match. If the
> system is designed to keep the backlight off by default because some
> other component (display panel driver) is meant to turn it on later,
> that's system configuration data, right?
>
> Perhaps a boolean property could be used:
>
> backlight {
> compatible = "pwm-backlight";
>
> ...
>
> backlight-default-off;
> };
>
> > > > put on by default if wrong specially without the property define. Even
> > > > put it on by default it wrong as the bootloader may have set it
> > > > already for splash screen and to avoid glitch the drivers need to
> > > > detect this.
> > >
> > > I agree that would be preferable, but I don't know of any way to detect
> > > what value the bootloader set a GPIO to. The GPIO API requires that you
> > > call gpio_direction_output(), and that requires a value parameter which
> > > will be used as the output level of the GPIO.
> >
> > Jean-Christophe's point is right.
> >
> > We may need to discuss 'the way to detect what value the bootloader
> > set a GPIO to'.
>
> Since some GPIO hardware simply can't do it, I guess we could resolve to
> passing such information via DT. That obviously won't work for non-DT
> setups, but I guess that's something we could live with.
For what it's worth, the pcf857x GPIO controllers suffer from this problem,
and the solution was to use a DT property to specify the initial GPIOs state.
The driver can thus implement gpio_get_value() properly and the hardware
limitation is hidden from the clients.
https://lkml.org/lkml/2013/9/21/105
> One possibility would be to supplement the backlight-default-off property
> with another property (backlight-boot-on) that can be passed on to the
> kernel from the bootloader to signal that it has turned the backlight on.
--
Regards,
Laurent Pinchart
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: signature.asc
Type: application/pgp-signature
Size: 490 bytes
Desc: This is a digitally signed message part.
URL: <http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/linux-arm-kernel/attachments/20131106/83d67344/attachment.sig>
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart-ryLnwIuWjnjg/C1BVhZhaw@public.gmane.org>
To: Thierry Reding <thierry.reding-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Jingoo Han <jg1.han-Sze3O3UU22JBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>,
'Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD'
<plagnioj-sclMFOaUSTBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>,
'Denis Carikli' <denis-fO0SIAKYzcbQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
'Mark Rutland' <mark.rutland-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>,
devicetree-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
'Ian Campbell'
<ijc+devicetree-KcIKpvwj1kUDXYZnReoRVg@public.gmane.org>,
'Eric B??nard' <eric-fO0SIAKYzcbQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
'Pawel Moll' <pawel.moll-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>,
'Stephen Warren'
<swarren-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>,
'Rob Herring'
<rob.herring-bsGFqQB8/DxBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>,
'Richard Purdie'
<rpurdie-Fm38FmjxZ/leoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>,
'Sascha Hauer' <kernel-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>,
linux-arm-kernel-IAPFreCvJWM7uuMidbF8XUB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org,
'Lothar Wa??mann'
<LW-AvR2QvxeiV7DiMYJYoSAnRvVK+yQ3ZXh@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCHv4] video: backlight: gpio-backlight: Add DT support.
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2013 01:08:35 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3967459.E0IoUGONBn@avalon> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131101101346.GK27864-AwZRO8vwLAwmlAP/+Wk3EA@public.gmane.org>
[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 6146 bytes --]
Hi Thierry,
On Friday 01 November 2013 11:13:47 Thierry Reding wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 01, 2013 at 08:37:23AM +0900, Jingoo Han wrote:
> > On Wednesday, October 23, 2013 5:02 AM, Thierry Reding wrote:
> > > On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 05:34:45PM +0200, Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-
VILLARD wrote:
> > > > On 09:23 Tue 22 Oct , Thierry Reding wrote:
> > > > > On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 06:58:33AM +0200, Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-
VILLARD wrote:
> > > > > > On 11:13 Mon 21 Oct , Denis Carikli wrote:
> > > > > > > Cc: Richard Purdie <rpurdie-Fm38FmjxZ/leoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
> > > > > > > Cc: Jingoo Han <jg1.han-Sze3O3UU22JBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
> > > > > > > Cc: Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart-ryLnwIuWjnjg/C1BVhZhaw@public.gmane.org>
> > > > > > > Cc: Rob Herring <rob.herring-bsGFqQB8/DxBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
> > > > > > > Cc: Pawel Moll <pawel.moll-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
> > > > > > > Cc: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
> > > > > > > Cc: Stephen Warren <swarren-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
> > > > > > > Cc: Ian Campbell <ijc+devicetree-KcIKpvwj1kUDXYZnReoRVg@public.gmane.org>
> > > > > > > Cc: devicetree-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org
> > > > > > > Cc: Sascha Hauer <kernel-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
> > > > > > > Cc: linux-arm-kernel-IAPFreCvJWM7uuMidbF8XUB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org
> > > > > > > Cc: Lothar Waßmann <LW-bxm8fMRDkQLDiMYJYoSAnRvVK+yQ3ZXh@public.gmane.org>
> > > > > > > Cc: Jean-Christophe Plagniol-Villard <plagnioj@jcrosoft.com>
> > > > > > > Cc: Eric Bénard <eric-fO0SIAKYzcbQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
> > > > > > > Signed-off-by: Denis Carikli <denis-fO0SIAKYzcbQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
> > > > > > > ---
> > > > > > > ChangeLog v3->v4:
> > > > > > > - The default-brightness property is now optional, it defaults
> > > > > > > to 1 if not set.> > > > >
> > > > > > by default we set OFF not ON
> > > > > >
> > > > > > do not actiate driver or properti by default you can not known to
> > > > > > consequence on the hw
> > > > >
> > > > > Turning on a backlight by default is what pretty much every
> > > > > backlight driver does. I personally think that's the wrong default,
> > > > > I even tried to get some discussion started recently about how we
> > > > > could change this. However, given that this has been the case for
> > > > > possibly as long as the subsystem has existed, suddenly changing it
> > > > > might cause quite a few of our users to boot the new kernel and not
> > > > > see their display come up. As with any other ABI, this isn't
> > > > > something we can just change without a very good migration path.
> > > >
> > > > I'm sorry but the blacklight descibe in DT have nothing to do with the
> > > > common pratice that the current driver have today
> > >
> > > That's not at all what I said. What I said was that the majority of
> > > backlight drivers currently default to turning the backlight on when
> > > probed. Therefore I think it would be consistent if this driver did the
> > > same.
> > >
> > > I also said that I don't think it's a very good default, but at the same
> > > time we can't just go and change the default behaviour at will because
> > > people may rely on it.
> >
> > I agree with your opinion.
> > But, I can't decide how to change it.
>
> One solution that Stephen proposed was to make all DT-based setups use a
> new default (off). An advantage of that is that such setups are still
> fairly actively being worked on, so we can probably get early adopters
> to cope with the new default.
>
> Looking through some DTS files it seems that many use the pwm-backlight
> driver. So if we can get some concensus from all the users that changing
> the default would be okay, then I think we could reasonably change it.
>
> Another solution perhaps would be to add a property to DT which encodes
> the default state of the backlight on boot. This used to be impossible
> because the general concensus was that DT should describe hardware only
> and not software policy. During the kernel summit this requirement was
> somewhat relaxed and it should now be okay to describe system
> configuration data, and I think this would be a good match. If the
> system is designed to keep the backlight off by default because some
> other component (display panel driver) is meant to turn it on later,
> that's system configuration data, right?
>
> Perhaps a boolean property could be used:
>
> backlight {
> compatible = "pwm-backlight";
>
> ...
>
> backlight-default-off;
> };
>
> > > > put on by default if wrong specially without the property define. Even
> > > > put it on by default it wrong as the bootloader may have set it
> > > > already for splash screen and to avoid glitch the drivers need to
> > > > detect this.
> > >
> > > I agree that would be preferable, but I don't know of any way to detect
> > > what value the bootloader set a GPIO to. The GPIO API requires that you
> > > call gpio_direction_output(), and that requires a value parameter which
> > > will be used as the output level of the GPIO.
> >
> > Jean-Christophe's point is right.
> >
> > We may need to discuss 'the way to detect what value the bootloader
> > set a GPIO to'.
>
> Since some GPIO hardware simply can't do it, I guess we could resolve to
> passing such information via DT. That obviously won't work for non-DT
> setups, but I guess that's something we could live with.
For what it's worth, the pcf857x GPIO controllers suffer from this problem,
and the solution was to use a DT property to specify the initial GPIOs state.
The driver can thus implement gpio_get_value() properly and the hardware
limitation is hidden from the clients.
https://lkml.org/lkml/2013/9/21/105
> One possibility would be to supplement the backlight-default-off property
> with another property (backlight-boot-on) that can be passed on to the
> kernel from the bootloader to signal that it has turned the backlight on.
--
Regards,
Laurent Pinchart
[-- Attachment #2: This is a digitally signed message part. --]
[-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 490 bytes --]
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-11-06 0:08 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-10-18 15:04 [PATCH 01/11] of: add vendor prefix for Eukréa Electromatique Denis Carikli
2013-10-18 15:04 ` Denis Carikli
2013-10-18 15:04 ` [PATCH 02/11] video: imxfb: Introduce regulator support Denis Carikli
2013-10-18 15:04 ` Denis Carikli
2013-10-19 10:45 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2013-10-19 10:45 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2013-10-21 9:13 ` [PATCHv4] video: backlight: gpio-backlight: Add DT support Denis Carikli
2013-10-21 9:13 ` Denis Carikli
2013-10-21 22:48 ` Laurent Pinchart
2013-10-21 22:48 ` Laurent Pinchart
2013-10-22 5:11 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2013-10-22 5:11 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2013-10-22 4:58 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2013-10-22 4:58 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2013-10-22 7:23 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-22 7:23 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-22 15:34 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2013-10-22 15:34 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2013-10-22 20:01 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-22 20:01 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-23 13:42 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2013-10-23 13:42 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2013-10-23 16:49 ` Stephen Warren
2013-10-23 16:49 ` Stephen Warren
2013-10-23 20:08 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-23 20:08 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-23 16:51 ` Stephen Warren
2013-10-23 16:51 ` Stephen Warren
2013-10-23 20:20 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-23 20:20 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-23 22:38 ` Laurent Pinchart
2013-10-23 22:38 ` Laurent Pinchart
2013-10-24 11:05 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 11:05 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-25 13:57 ` Laurent Pinchart
2013-10-25 13:57 ` Laurent Pinchart
2013-10-31 23:44 ` Jingoo Han
2013-10-31 23:44 ` Jingoo Han
2013-11-01 9:57 ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-01 9:57 ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-04 0:20 ` Jingoo Han
2013-11-04 0:20 ` Jingoo Han
2013-10-31 23:37 ` Jingoo Han
2013-10-31 23:37 ` Jingoo Han
2013-11-01 10:13 ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-01 10:13 ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-06 0:08 ` Laurent Pinchart [this message]
2013-11-06 0:08 ` Laurent Pinchart
2013-10-25 20:10 ` Grant Likely
2013-10-25 20:10 ` Grant Likely
Reply instructions:
You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:
* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
and reply-to-all from there: mbox
Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style
* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
switches of git-send-email(1):
git send-email \
--in-reply-to=3967459.E0IoUGONBn@avalon \
--to=laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com \
--cc=linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org \
/path/to/YOUR_REPLY
https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html
* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line
before the message body.
This is an external index of several public inboxes,
see mirroring instructions on how to clone and mirror
all data and code used by this external index.