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From: Simon Wunderlich <sw@simonwunderlich.de>
To: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Cc: netdev@vger.kernel.org, b.a.t.m.a.n@lists.open-mesh.org,
	linux@arm.linux.org.uk, mareklindner@neomailbox.ch,
	antonio@meshcoding.com
Subject: Re: [B.A.T.M.A.N.] [PATCH] Fix ARM BUILD_BUG_ON() errors with batman-adv
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 18:58:47 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201312021858.48074.sw@simonwunderlich.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131130.160547.837987320410619405.davem@davemloft.net>

David,

> From: Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>
> Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 19:15:53 +0000
> 
> > so there should be no undesired side effect from this packing.
> 
> There is a huge side effect from ever using the packed attribute, in
> that the compiler can assume absolutely nothing about the alignment of
> any object or sub-object of the type you apply this attribute to.
> 
> Even if it is "obvious" that some members will be aligned, the
> compiler cannot take advantage of this assumption because this
> attribute also means that an array of such elements might have
> arbitrary alignment.  So you when you get a pointer to one of these
> objects, the compiler has to assume the worst possible case.
> 
> This means using 4 byte loads to load a 32-bit quantity, always,
> unconditionally, no matter what.
> 
> That's why we should do whatever is necessary to align things properly
> by hand, and use packed only as the last possible and least desirable
> resort.

so far we have two feasible options how to handle batadv_header:

 1) Russells patch
 2) unrolling these 3 bytes of header into every packet structure

I understand your concerns for __packed in generally, but in this case it 
might not be that bad:

 * batadv_header is only used by embedding it in other structs (like 
batadv_unicast_packet, batadv_broadcast_packet ...) which are well aligned - I 
guess there should be no performance problem when accessing through the parent 
structure (like unicast_packet->header.version)
 * there is one exception in batadv_interface_rx() where we use this 
batadv_header directly, but we can easily replace that by using e.g. 
batadv_bcast_packet instead.
 * It's easier to read and maintain than copying these 3 bytes in every other 
structure.

Therefore I'd suggest to pick Russels patch, I can send a fix for 
batadv_interface_rx() later, too.

Thanks,
    Simon

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From: Simon Wunderlich <sw-2YrNx6rUIHYiY0qSoAWiAoQuADTiUCJX@public.gmane.org>
To: David Miller <davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
Cc: netdev-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	b.a.t.m.a.n-ZwoEplunGu2X36UT3dwllkB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org,
	linux-lFZ/pmaqli7XmaaqVzeoHQ@public.gmane.org,
	mareklindner-rVWd3aGhH2z5bpWLKbzFeg@public.gmane.org,
	antonio-x4xJYDvStAgysxA8WJXlww@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Fix ARM BUILD_BUG_ON() errors with batman-adv
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 18:58:47 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201312021858.48074.sw@simonwunderlich.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131130.160547.837987320410619405.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>

David,

> From: Russell King - ARM Linux <linux-lFZ/pmaqli7XmaaqVzeoHQ@public.gmane.org>
> Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 19:15:53 +0000
> 
> > so there should be no undesired side effect from this packing.
> 
> There is a huge side effect from ever using the packed attribute, in
> that the compiler can assume absolutely nothing about the alignment of
> any object or sub-object of the type you apply this attribute to.
> 
> Even if it is "obvious" that some members will be aligned, the
> compiler cannot take advantage of this assumption because this
> attribute also means that an array of such elements might have
> arbitrary alignment.  So you when you get a pointer to one of these
> objects, the compiler has to assume the worst possible case.
> 
> This means using 4 byte loads to load a 32-bit quantity, always,
> unconditionally, no matter what.
> 
> That's why we should do whatever is necessary to align things properly
> by hand, and use packed only as the last possible and least desirable
> resort.

so far we have two feasible options how to handle batadv_header:

 1) Russells patch
 2) unrolling these 3 bytes of header into every packet structure

I understand your concerns for __packed in generally, but in this case it 
might not be that bad:

 * batadv_header is only used by embedding it in other structs (like 
batadv_unicast_packet, batadv_broadcast_packet ...) which are well aligned - I 
guess there should be no performance problem when accessing through the parent 
structure (like unicast_packet->header.version)
 * there is one exception in batadv_interface_rx() where we use this 
batadv_header directly, but we can easily replace that by using e.g. 
batadv_bcast_packet instead.
 * It's easier to read and maintain than copying these 3 bytes in every other 
structure.

Therefore I'd suggest to pick Russels patch, I can send a fix for 
batadv_interface_rx() later, too.

Thanks,
    Simon

  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-12-02 17:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-11-30 19:15 [B.A.T.M.A.N.] [PATCH] Fix ARM BUILD_BUG_ON() errors with batman-adv Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-11-30 19:15 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-11-30 20:12 ` [B.A.T.M.A.N.] " Antonio Quartulli
2013-11-30 20:12   ` Antonio Quartulli
2013-11-30 23:05   ` [B.A.T.M.A.N.] " Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-11-30 23:05     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-12-01  0:27     ` Antonio Quartulli
2013-12-01  0:27       ` Antonio Quartulli
2013-12-01 14:28       ` [B.A.T.M.A.N.] " Antonio Quartulli
2013-12-01 14:28         ` Antonio Quartulli
2013-12-01 17:13         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-12-01 17:13           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-12-02 10:24           ` [B.A.T.M.A.N.] [PATCH] Fix ARM BUILD_BUG_ON() errors withbatman-adv David Laight
2013-12-02 10:24             ` David Laight
2013-12-02 12:50             ` Antonio Quartulli
2013-12-02 12:50               ` Antonio Quartulli
2013-12-02 13:10               ` David Laight
2013-12-02 13:10                 ` David Laight
2013-12-02 16:20               ` David Miller
2013-12-02 16:20                 ` David Miller
2013-12-01 19:21         ` [B.A.T.M.A.N.] [PATCH] Fix ARM BUILD_BUG_ON() errors with batman-adv David Miller
2013-12-01 19:21           ` David Miller
2013-12-01 20:40           ` [B.A.T.M.A.N.] " Antonio Quartulli
2013-11-30 21:05 ` David Miller
2013-11-30 21:05   ` David Miller
2013-11-30 23:03   ` [B.A.T.M.A.N.] " Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-11-30 23:03     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-12-02 17:58   ` Simon Wunderlich [this message]
2013-12-02 17:58     ` Simon Wunderlich
2013-12-02 18:38     ` [B.A.T.M.A.N.] " David Miller
2013-12-02 18:38       ` David Miller

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