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From: Heikki Krogerus <heikki.krogerus@linux.intel.com>
To: Kishon Vijay Abraham I <kishon@ti.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 04/10] usb: dwc3: use quirks to know if a particualr platform doesn't have PHY
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 11:26:04 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20131209092604.GC5231@xps8300> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <52A56DA1.1010808@ti.com>

Hi,

On Mon, Dec 09, 2013 at 12:43:37PM +0530, Kishon Vijay Abraham I wrote:
> On Thursday 05 December 2013 01:28 PM, Heikki Krogerus wrote:
> >On Thu, Dec 05, 2013 at 12:04:46PM +0530, Kishon Vijay Abraham I wrote:
> >>On Wednesday 04 December 2013 08:10 PM, Heikki Krogerus wrote:
> >>>On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 03:31:24PM +0530, Kishon Vijay Abraham I wrote:
> >>>>There can be systems which does not have an external phy, so get
> >>>>phy only if no quirks are added that indicates the PHY is not present.
> >>>>Introduced two quirk flags to indicate the *absence* of usb2 phy and
> >>>>usb3 phy. Also remove checking if return value is -ENXIO since it's now
> >>>>changed to always enable usb_phy layer.
> >>>
> >>>Can you guys explain why is something like this needed? Like with
> >>>clocks and gpios, the device drivers shouldn't need to care any more
> >>>if the platform has the phys or not. -ENODEV tells you your platform
> >>
> >>Shouldn't we report if a particular platform needs a PHY and not able to get
> >>it. How will a user know if a particular controller is not working because it's
> >>not able to get and initialize the PHYs? Don't you think in such cases it's
> >>better to fail (and return from probe) because the controller will not work
> >>anyway without the PHY?
> >
> >My point is that you do not need to separately tell this to the driver
> >like you do with the quirks (if you did, then you would need to fix
> >your framework and not hack the drivers).
> >
> >Like I said, ENODEV tells you that there is no phy on this platform
> >for you, allowing you to safely continue. If your phy driver is not
> >loaded, the framework already returns EPROBE_DEFER, right. Any other
> 
> right. but that doesn't consider broken dt data. With quirks we'll
> able to tell if a controller in a particular platform has PHY or not
> without depending on the dt data.

Broken dt data? What kind of scenario are you thinking here? Do you
mean case where the dt does not describe the phy on a platform that
depends on it? Shouldn't that problem be fixed in the dt and not
hacked in the drivers? Or are you thinking about something else?

Is there a case where something like that is actually happening?

Br,

-- 
heikki

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: heikki.krogerus@linux.intel.com (Heikki Krogerus)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH v3 04/10] usb: dwc3: use quirks to know if a particualr platform doesn't have PHY
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 11:26:04 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20131209092604.GC5231@xps8300> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <52A56DA1.1010808@ti.com>

Hi,

On Mon, Dec 09, 2013 at 12:43:37PM +0530, Kishon Vijay Abraham I wrote:
> On Thursday 05 December 2013 01:28 PM, Heikki Krogerus wrote:
> >On Thu, Dec 05, 2013 at 12:04:46PM +0530, Kishon Vijay Abraham I wrote:
> >>On Wednesday 04 December 2013 08:10 PM, Heikki Krogerus wrote:
> >>>On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 03:31:24PM +0530, Kishon Vijay Abraham I wrote:
> >>>>There can be systems which does not have an external phy, so get
> >>>>phy only if no quirks are added that indicates the PHY is not present.
> >>>>Introduced two quirk flags to indicate the *absence* of usb2 phy and
> >>>>usb3 phy. Also remove checking if return value is -ENXIO since it's now
> >>>>changed to always enable usb_phy layer.
> >>>
> >>>Can you guys explain why is something like this needed? Like with
> >>>clocks and gpios, the device drivers shouldn't need to care any more
> >>>if the platform has the phys or not. -ENODEV tells you your platform
> >>
> >>Shouldn't we report if a particular platform needs a PHY and not able to get
> >>it. How will a user know if a particular controller is not working because it's
> >>not able to get and initialize the PHYs? Don't you think in such cases it's
> >>better to fail (and return from probe) because the controller will not work
> >>anyway without the PHY?
> >
> >My point is that you do not need to separately tell this to the driver
> >like you do with the quirks (if you did, then you would need to fix
> >your framework and not hack the drivers).
> >
> >Like I said, ENODEV tells you that there is no phy on this platform
> >for you, allowing you to safely continue. If your phy driver is not
> >loaded, the framework already returns EPROBE_DEFER, right. Any other
> 
> right. but that doesn't consider broken dt data. With quirks we'll
> able to tell if a controller in a particular platform has PHY or not
> without depending on the dt data.

Broken dt data? What kind of scenario are you thinking here? Do you
mean case where the dt does not describe the phy on a platform that
depends on it? Shouldn't that problem be fixed in the dt and not
hacked in the drivers? Or are you thinking about something else?

Is there a case where something like that is actually happening?

Br,

-- 
heikki

  reply	other threads:[~2013-12-09  9:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 125+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-11-25 10:01 [PATCH v3 00/10] Make dwc3 use Generic PHY Framework Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2013-11-25 10:01 ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2013-11-25 10:01 ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2013-11-25 10:01 ` [PATCH v3 01/10] usb: dwc3: invoke phy_resume after phy_init Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2013-11-25 10:01   ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2013-11-25 10:01   ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2013-11-25 10:01 ` [PATCH v3 02/10] usb: dwc3: power off usb phy in error path Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2013-11-25 10:01   ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2013-11-25 10:01   ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2013-11-25 10:01 ` [PATCH v3 03/10] usb: dwc3: preparation for adapting dwc3 to generic phy framework Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2013-11-25 10:01   ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2013-11-25 10:01   ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2013-11-25 10:01 ` [PATCH v3 04/10] usb: dwc3: use quirks to know if a particualr platform doesn't have PHY Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2013-11-25 10:01   ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2013-11-25 10:01   ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2013-11-25 21:21   ` Felipe Balbi
2013-11-25 21:21     ` Felipe Balbi
2013-11-25 21:21     ` Felipe Balbi
2013-12-04 14:40   ` Heikki Krogerus
2013-12-04 14:40     ` Heikki Krogerus
2013-12-05  6:34     ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2013-12-05  6:34       ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2013-12-05  6:34       ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2013-12-05  7:58       ` Heikki Krogerus
2013-12-05  7:58         ` Heikki Krogerus
2013-12-09  7:13         ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2013-12-09  7:13           ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2013-12-09  7:13           ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2013-12-09  9:26           ` Heikki Krogerus [this message]
2013-12-09  9:26             ` Heikki Krogerus
2013-12-11  8:53             ` Heikki Krogerus
2013-12-11  8:53               ` Heikki Krogerus
2013-12-11  9:07               ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2013-12-11  9:07                 ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2013-12-11  9:07                 ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2013-11-25 10:01 ` [PATCH v3 05/10] usb: dwc3: adapt dwc3 core to use Generic PHY Framework Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2013-11-25 10:01   ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2013-11-25 10:01   ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2013-11-25 10:01 ` [PATCH v3 06/10] Documentation: dt bindings: move ..usb/usb-phy.txt to ..phy/ti-phy.txt Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2013-11-25 10:01   ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2013-11-25 10:01   ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2013-11-25 10:01 ` [PATCH v3 07/10] drivers: phy: usb3/pipe3: Adapt pipe3 driver to Generic PHY Framework Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2013-11-25 10:01   ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2013-11-25 10:01   ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2013-12-06 14:35   ` Roger Quadros
2013-12-06 14:35     ` Roger Quadros
2013-12-06 14:35     ` Roger Quadros
2013-12-10 14:40     ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2013-12-10 14:40       ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2013-12-10 14:40       ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2013-11-25 10:01 ` [PATCH v3 08/10] usb: phy: omap-usb2: remove *set_suspend* callback from omap-usb2 Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2013-11-25 10:01   ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2013-11-25 10:01   ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2013-11-25 10:01 ` [PATCH v3 09/10] phy: omap-usb2: move omap_usb.h from linux/usb/ to linux/phy/ Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2013-11-25 10:01   ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2013-11-25 10:01   ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2013-11-25 10:01 ` [PATCH v3 10/10] arm/dts: added dt properties to adapt to the new phy framwork Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2013-11-25 10:01   ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2013-11-25 10:01   ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
     [not found] ` <1385373690-12170-1-git-send-email-kishon-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-21 10:11   ` [PATCH 1/2] usb: dwc3: core: continue probing if usb phy library returns -ENODEV/-ENXIO Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2014-01-21 10:11     ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2014-01-21 10:11     ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
     [not found]     ` <1390299099-14764-1-git-send-email-kishon-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-21 10:11       ` [PATCH v4 2/2] usb: dwc3: adapt dwc3 core to use Generic PHY Framework Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2014-01-21 10:11         ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2014-01-21 10:11         ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2014-01-21 14:00         ` Roger Quadros
2014-01-21 14:00           ` Roger Quadros
2014-01-21 14:00           ` Roger Quadros
2014-01-22  6:04           ` Vivek Gautam
2014-01-22  6:04             ` Vivek Gautam
2014-01-22  7:59             ` Roger Quadros
2014-01-22  7:59               ` Roger Quadros
2014-01-22  7:59               ` Roger Quadros
2014-01-22 10:14               ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2014-01-22 10:14                 ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2014-01-22 10:14                 ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2014-01-21 13:53       ` [PATCH 1/2] usb: dwc3: core: continue probing if usb phy library returns -ENODEV/-ENXIO Roger Quadros
2014-01-21 13:53         ` Roger Quadros
2014-01-21 13:53         ` Roger Quadros
2014-01-21 14:47     ` Felipe Balbi
2014-01-21 14:47       ` Felipe Balbi
2014-01-21 14:47       ` Felipe Balbi
2014-01-24 14:09       ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2014-01-24 14:09         ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2014-01-24 14:09         ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
     [not found]       ` <20140121144725.GF30451-HgARHv6XitL9zxVx7UNMDg@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-27 15:08         ` Heikki Krogerus
2014-01-27 15:08           ` Heikki Krogerus
2014-01-27 15:08           ` Heikki Krogerus
2014-01-27 16:05           ` Felipe Balbi
2014-01-27 16:05             ` Felipe Balbi
2014-01-27 16:05             ` Felipe Balbi
2014-01-28 15:32             ` Heikki Krogerus
2014-01-28 15:32               ` Heikki Krogerus
2014-01-28 16:30               ` Felipe Balbi
2014-01-28 16:30                 ` Felipe Balbi
2014-01-28 16:30                 ` Felipe Balbi
2014-01-29 14:47                 ` Heikki Krogerus
2014-01-29 14:47                   ` Heikki Krogerus
2014-02-12  9:46                   ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2014-02-12  9:46                     ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2014-02-12  9:46                     ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
     [not found]                     ` <52FB42DE.4090203-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org>
2014-02-19 12:37                       ` Roger Quadros
2014-02-19 12:37                         ` Roger Quadros
2014-02-19 12:37                         ` Roger Quadros
2014-02-21 12:25                         ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2014-02-21 12:25                           ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2014-02-21 12:25                           ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2014-02-21 12:29                           ` Roger Quadros
2014-02-21 12:29                             ` Roger Quadros
2014-02-21 12:29                             ` Roger Quadros
2014-02-24  9:51                             ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2014-02-24  9:51                               ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2014-02-24  9:51                               ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2014-02-24 11:05                               ` Roger Quadros
2014-02-24 11:05                                 ` Roger Quadros
2014-02-24 11:05                                 ` Roger Quadros
2014-02-24 14:24                                 ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2014-02-24 14:24                                   ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2014-02-24 14:24                                   ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2014-02-24 15:49                               ` Felipe Balbi
2014-02-24 15:49                                 ` Felipe Balbi
2014-02-24 15:49                                 ` Felipe Balbi
2014-02-24  9:55                             ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2014-02-24  9:55                               ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2014-02-24  9:55                               ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I

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