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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
To: Madhavan Srinivasan <maddy@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org,
	benh@kernel.crashing.org, paulus@samba.org,
	kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com, rusty@rustcorp.com.au,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, riel@redhat.com, mgorman@suse.de,
	ak@linux.intel.com, peterz@infradead.org,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/1] mm: FAULT_AROUND_ORDER patchset performance data for powerpc
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 09:11:07 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140325081107.GA28377@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1395730215-11604-1-git-send-email-maddy@linux.vnet.ibm.com>


* Madhavan Srinivasan <maddy@linux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote:

> Performance data for different FAULT_AROUND_ORDER values from 4 socket
> Power7 system (128 Threads and 128GB memory) is below.  Fault around order (FAO)
> value of 3 looks more advantageous.
> 
> FAULT_AROUND_ORDER      Baseline        1               3               4		5               7
> 
> Linux build (make -j64)
> minor-faults		7184385		5874015		4567289		4318518		4193815		4159193
> times in seconds	61.433776136	60.865935292	59.245368038	60.630675011	60.56587624	59.828271924

Hm, I have one general observation: it's hard to tell how 
(statistically) significant the time differences are, without standard 
deviation numbers.

You can get stddev very easily via 'perf stat --null --repeat N'.

You can use --pre <script> and --post <script> for pre/post 
measurement cleanup hooks (such as 'make clean'). So for example:

  perf stat --null --repeat 3 --pre 'make defconfig; make clean >/dev/null 2>&1' make -j64 kernel/

Which run the workload 3 times and it will output something like:

       9.013717158 seconds time elapsed                                          ( +-  0.99% )

Where the +- column shows the stddev in relative percentage units.

The --null option ensures that only time measurement is done with no 
overhead for the workload, no other performance metrics are taken.

The overhead of the --pre stage is not added to the measured time.

Thus you can also add really expensive steps to the --pre stage, such 
as a vm_drop_caches clearing of all caches, to measure cache-cold 
results.

The stddev value shows that the result is significant to about the 
first fractional digit.

Thanks,

	Ingo

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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
To: Madhavan Srinivasan <maddy@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org,
	benh@kernel.crashing.org, paulus@samba.org,
	kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com, rusty@rustcorp.com.au,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, riel@redhat.com, mgorman@suse.de,
	ak@linux.intel.com, peterz@infradead.org,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/1] mm: FAULT_AROUND_ORDER patchset performance data for powerpc
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 09:11:07 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140325081107.GA28377@gmail.com> (raw)
Message-ID: <20140325081107.5d3uZcJlBMmVD_Mr8vzdNVP9ejlscx5RbYqj9QZaIJs@z> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1395730215-11604-1-git-send-email-maddy@linux.vnet.ibm.com>


* Madhavan Srinivasan <maddy@linux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote:

> Performance data for different FAULT_AROUND_ORDER values from 4 socket
> Power7 system (128 Threads and 128GB memory) is below.  Fault around order (FAO)
> value of 3 looks more advantageous.
> 
> FAULT_AROUND_ORDER      Baseline        1               3               4		5               7
> 
> Linux build (make -j64)
> minor-faults		7184385		5874015		4567289		4318518		4193815		4159193
> times in seconds	61.433776136	60.865935292	59.245368038	60.630675011	60.56587624	59.828271924

Hm, I have one general observation: it's hard to tell how 
(statistically) significant the time differences are, without standard 
deviation numbers.

You can get stddev very easily via 'perf stat --null --repeat N'.

You can use --pre <script> and --post <script> for pre/post 
measurement cleanup hooks (such as 'make clean'). So for example:

  perf stat --null --repeat 3 --pre 'make defconfig; make clean >/dev/null 2>&1' make -j64 kernel/

Which run the workload 3 times and it will output something like:

       9.013717158 seconds time elapsed                                          ( +-  0.99% )

Where the +- column shows the stddev in relative percentage units.

The --null option ensures that only time measurement is done with no 
overhead for the workload, no other performance metrics are taken.

The overhead of the --pre stage is not added to the measured time.

Thus you can also add really expensive steps to the --pre stage, such 
as a vm_drop_caches clearing of all caches, to measure cache-cold 
results.

The stddev value shows that the result is significant to about the 
first fractional digit.

Thanks,

	Ingo

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
To: Madhavan Srinivasan <maddy@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, riel@redhat.com,
	rusty@rustcorp.com.au, peterz@infradead.org, x86@kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	ak@linux.intel.com, paulus@samba.org, mgorman@suse.de,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org,
	kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/1] mm: FAULT_AROUND_ORDER patchset performance data for powerpc
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 09:11:07 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140325081107.GA28377@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1395730215-11604-1-git-send-email-maddy@linux.vnet.ibm.com>


* Madhavan Srinivasan <maddy@linux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote:

> Performance data for different FAULT_AROUND_ORDER values from 4 socket
> Power7 system (128 Threads and 128GB memory) is below.  Fault around order (FAO)
> value of 3 looks more advantageous.
> 
> FAULT_AROUND_ORDER      Baseline        1               3               4		5               7
> 
> Linux build (make -j64)
> minor-faults		7184385		5874015		4567289		4318518		4193815		4159193
> times in seconds	61.433776136	60.865935292	59.245368038	60.630675011	60.56587624	59.828271924

Hm, I have one general observation: it's hard to tell how 
(statistically) significant the time differences are, without standard 
deviation numbers.

You can get stddev very easily via 'perf stat --null --repeat N'.

You can use --pre <script> and --post <script> for pre/post 
measurement cleanup hooks (such as 'make clean'). So for example:

  perf stat --null --repeat 3 --pre 'make defconfig; make clean >/dev/null 2>&1' make -j64 kernel/

Which run the workload 3 times and it will output something like:

       9.013717158 seconds time elapsed                                          ( +-  0.99% )

Where the +- column shows the stddev in relative percentage units.

The --null option ensures that only time measurement is done with no 
overhead for the workload, no other performance metrics are taken.

The overhead of the --pre stage is not added to the measured time.

Thus you can also add really expensive steps to the --pre stage, such 
as a vm_drop_caches clearing of all caches, to measure cache-cold 
results.

The stddev value shows that the result is significant to about the 
first fractional digit.

Thanks,

	Ingo

  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-03-25  8:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-03-25  6:50 [PATCH 0/1] mm: FAULT_AROUND_ORDER patchset performance data for powerpc Madhavan Srinivasan
2014-03-25  6:50 ` Madhavan Srinivasan
2014-03-25  6:50 ` Madhavan Srinivasan
2014-03-25  6:50 ` [PATCH 1/1] mm: move FAULT_AROUND_ORDER to arch/ Madhavan Srinivasan
2014-03-25  6:50   ` Madhavan Srinivasan
2014-03-25  6:50   ` Madhavan Srinivasan
2014-03-25 17:36   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2014-03-25 17:36     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2014-03-25 17:36     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2014-03-25 17:50     ` Dave Hansen
2014-03-25 17:50       ` Dave Hansen
2014-03-25 17:50       ` Dave Hansen
2014-04-02  4:45       ` Madhavan Srinivasan
2014-04-02  4:45         ` Madhavan Srinivasan
2014-04-02  4:45         ` Madhavan Srinivasan
2014-03-27  6:20     ` Madhavan Srinivasan
2014-03-27  6:20       ` Madhavan Srinivasan
2014-03-27  6:20       ` Madhavan Srinivasan
2014-03-25  8:11 ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2014-03-25  8:11   ` [PATCH 0/1] mm: FAULT_AROUND_ORDER patchset performance data for powerpc Ingo Molnar
2014-03-25  8:11   ` Ingo Molnar

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