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From: "John W. Linville" <linville@tuxdriver.com>
To: Neil Horman <nhorman@tuxdriver.com>
Cc: Thomas Graf <tgraf@suug.ch>, Jamal Hadi Salim <jhs@mojatatu.com>,
	Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>,
	Florian Fainelli <f.fainelli@gmail.com>,
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	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
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Subject: Re: [patch net-next RFC 0/4] introduce infrastructure for support of switch chip datapath
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 09:43:07 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140327134307.GB31168@tuxdriver.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140326182122.GC31370@hmsreliant.think-freely.org>

On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 02:21:22PM -0400, Neil Horman wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 11:29:03AM +0000, Thomas Graf wrote:

> > What I don't understand at this point is how hiding the ports behind
> > a master device would buy us anything. We would still need to abstract
> > the filtering capabilities of the ports at some level and hiding that
> > behind existing tools seems to most convenient way.
> > 
> 
> If we agree that inconsistent frame reception / stack bypass is acceptable, then
> hiding the ports buys us nothing.  My only goal with that suggestion was to
> differentiate ports on a switch device so that the ports were differentiated in
> such a way as to make it clear that they didn't behave like typical NIC ports
> that were meant to receive host terminated traffic only.  If the consensus is
> to allows sparse reception of forwarded traffic at the cpu, then no, its not
> worthwhile and can be ignored.

I don't like the master device idea.  It just seems likely to cause
confusion.  But, we may want something to expose some topology
information to the user.  There could be situations where it is
releavant to know that two netdevs are part of the same hardware
device.

In the past I've also seen boxes with multiple switch chips tied
together either through dedicated "stacking" ports or even just with
ethernet ports directly wired together inside the box.  A variety
of combinations are possible, each with performance considerations
that might be relevant to an admin.  It would be good if we could
help them map-out such relationships.

Maybe the existing bus infrastructure (or something like it) could
be leveraged?

John
-- 
John W. Linville		Someday the world will need a hero, and you
linville@tuxdriver.com			might be all we have.  Be ready.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-03-27 13:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 125+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-03-19 15:33 [patch net-next RFC 0/4] introduce infrastructure for support of switch chip datapath Jiri Pirko
2014-03-19 15:33 ` [patch net-next RFC 1/4] openvswitch: split flow structures into ovs specific and generic ones Jiri Pirko
2014-03-20 13:04   ` Thomas Graf
2014-03-19 15:33 ` [patch net-next RFC 2/4] net: introduce switchdev API Jiri Pirko
2014-03-20 13:59   ` Thomas Graf
2014-03-20 14:18     ` Jiri Pirko
2014-03-20 14:43   ` Nikolay Aleksandrov
2014-03-20 15:42     ` Jiri Pirko
2014-03-19 15:33 ` [patch net-next RFC 3/4] openvswitch: Introduce support for switchdev based datapath Jiri Pirko
2014-03-19 15:33 ` [patch net-next RFC 4/4] net: introduce dummy switch Jiri Pirko
2014-03-20 11:49 ` [patch net-next RFC 0/4] introduce infrastructure for support of switch chip datapath Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-03-20 12:40   ` Jiri Pirko
2014-03-20 17:21     ` Florian Fainelli
2014-03-21 12:04       ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-03-22  9:48         ` Jiri Pirko
2014-03-24 23:07           ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-03-25 17:39             ` Neil Horman
2014-03-25 18:00               ` Thomas Graf
2014-03-25 19:35                 ` Neil Horman
2014-03-25 20:11                   ` Florian Fainelli
2014-03-25 20:31                     ` Neil Horman
2014-03-25 21:22                       ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-03-25 21:26                     ` Thomas Graf
2014-03-25 21:42                       ` Florian Fainelli
2014-03-25 21:54                         ` Thomas Graf
2014-03-26 10:55                           ` Neil Horman
2014-03-26  5:37                     ` Roopa Prabhu
2014-03-26 10:54                       ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-03-26 15:31                         ` John W. Linville
2014-03-26 16:54                         ` Roopa Prabhu
2014-03-26 16:59                           ` Jiri Pirko
2014-03-26 17:29                             ` Florian Fainelli
2014-03-26 17:35                               ` Jiri Pirko
2014-03-26 17:58                                 ` Florian Fainelli
2014-03-26 18:14                                   ` Jiri Pirko
2014-03-26 18:29                                     ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2014-03-26 18:30                                     ` Florian Fainelli
2014-03-26 21:51                                     ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-03-26 22:22                                       ` Florian Fainelli
2014-03-26 22:53                                         ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-03-26 23:16                                           ` Florian Fainelli
2014-03-27  6:56                                         ` Jiri Pirko
2014-03-27 10:39                                           ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-03-27 10:50                                             ` Jiri Pirko
2014-03-27 11:12                                               ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-03-27 11:16                                                 ` Jiri Pirko
2014-03-27 14:10                                           ` Sergey Ryazanov
2014-03-27 16:41                                             ` Florian Fainelli
2014-03-27 16:57                                               ` Jiri Pirko
2014-03-27 16:59                                               ` Thomas Graf
2014-03-27 20:32                                               ` Sergey Ryazanov
2014-03-27 21:20                                                 ` Florian Fainelli
2014-03-27 21:55                                                   ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-03-28  6:28                                                   ` Jiri Pirko
2014-03-30 12:08                                                     ` Alon Harel
2014-03-27 21:41                                               ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-03-27 16:55                                             ` Jiri Pirko
2014-03-27 19:58                                               ` Sergey Ryazanov
2014-03-27 20:01                                                 ` Florian Fainelli
2014-03-27 20:04                                                   ` Sergey Ryazanov
2014-03-27 21:47                                                   ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-03-27 21:54                                                     ` Florian Fainelli
2014-03-27 21:59                                                       ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-03-27 22:19                                                         ` Florian Fainelli
2014-03-27 23:42                                                         ` Thomas Graf
2014-03-27 23:46                                                           ` Florian Fainelli
2014-03-26 17:57                               ` Roopa Prabhu
2014-03-26 18:09                                 ` Florian Fainelli
2014-03-27 13:46                                   ` John W. Linville
2014-03-26 17:47                             ` Roopa Prabhu
2014-03-26 18:03                               ` Jiri Pirko
2014-03-26 21:27                                 ` Roopa Prabhu
2014-03-26 21:31                                   ` Jiri Pirko
2014-03-27 15:35                                     ` Roopa Prabhu
2014-03-27 16:10                                       ` Jiri Pirko
2014-04-01 19:13                                 ` Scott Feldman
2014-04-02  6:41                                   ` Jiri Pirko
2014-04-02 15:37                                     ` Scott Feldman
2014-04-02 14:32                                   ` Andy Gospodarek
2014-04-02 15:25                                     ` John W. Linville
2014-04-02 16:15                                       ` Scott Feldman
2014-04-02 16:47                                         ` Florian Fainelli
2014-04-02 21:52                                           ` Thomas Graf
2014-04-02 19:29                                         ` John W. Linville
2014-04-02 19:54                                           ` Scott Feldman
2014-04-02 20:06                                             ` John W. Linville
2014-04-02 20:04                                           ` Stephen Hemminger
2014-04-02 20:23                                             ` Jiri Pirko
2014-04-02 20:38                                               ` John W. Linville
2014-04-02 21:36                                                 ` Thomas Graf
2014-03-25 20:56                   ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-03-25 21:19                     ` Thomas Graf
2014-03-25 21:24                       ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-03-26  7:21                       ` Jiri Pirko
2014-03-26 11:00                         ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-03-26 11:06                           ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-03-26 11:31                             ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-03-26 13:20                             ` Jiri Pirko
2014-03-26 13:23                               ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-03-26 13:17                           ` Jiri Pirko
2014-03-26 11:10                     ` Neil Horman
2014-03-26 11:29                       ` Thomas Graf
2014-03-26 12:58                         ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-03-26 15:22                         ` John W. Linville
2014-03-26 21:36                           ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-03-26 18:21                         ` Neil Horman
2014-03-26 19:11                           ` Florian Fainelli
2014-03-26 22:44                             ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-03-26 23:15                               ` Thomas Graf
2014-03-26 23:21                                 ` Florian Fainelli
2014-03-27 15:26                               ` Neil Horman
2014-03-27 21:33                                 ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-03-26 19:24                           ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2014-03-27 13:43                           ` John W. Linville [this message]
2014-03-26 12:19                       ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-03-26 15:27                       ` John W. Linville
2014-03-25 18:33               ` Florian Fainelli
2014-03-25 19:40                 ` Neil Horman
2014-03-25 20:00                   ` Florian Fainelli
2014-03-25 21:39                     ` tgraf
2014-03-25 22:08                       ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-03-26  5:48                         ` Roopa Prabhu
2014-03-25 20:46               ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-03-26  7:24               ` Jiri Pirko
2014-03-22  9:40       ` Jiri Pirko

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