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From: Jamal Hadi Salim <jhs@mojatatu.com>
To: Roopa Prabhu <roopa@cumulusnetworks.com>,
	Florian Fainelli <f.fainelli@gmail.com>
Cc: Neil Horman <nhorman@tuxdriver.com>, Thomas Graf <tgraf@suug.ch>,
	Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>, netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Andy Gospodarek <andy@greyhouse.net>,
	dborkman <dborkman@redhat.com>, ogerlitz <ogerlitz@mellanox.com>,
	jesse <jesse@nicira.com>, pshelar <pshelar@nicira.com>,
	azhou <azhou@nicira.com>, Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk>,
	Stephen Hemminger <stephen@networkplumber.org>,
	jeffrey.t.kirsher@intel.com, vyasevic <vyasevic@redhat.com>,
	Cong Wang <xiyou.wangcong@gmail.com>,
	John Fastabend <john.r.fastabend@intel.com>,
	Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
	Scott Feldman <sfeldma@cumulusnetworks.com>,
	Lennert Buytenhek <buytenh@wantstofly.org>,
	Shrijeet Mukherjee <shm@cumulusnetworks.com>
Subject: Re: [patch net-next RFC 0/4] introduce infrastructure for support of switch chip datapath
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 06:54:54 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5332B1FE.7080102@mojatatu.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5332677F.2090404@cumulusnetworks.com>

On 03/26/14 01:37, Roopa Prabhu wrote:
> On 3/25/14, 1:11 PM, Florian Fainelli wrote:
>> 2014-03-25 12:35 GMT-07:00 Neil Horman <nhorman@tuxdriver.com>:

> Sorry about getting on this thread late and possibly in the middle.
> Agree on the idea of keeping the ports linked to the master switch dev
> (or the 'conduit' to the switch chip) via private list instead of the
> master-slave relationship proposed earlier.
> By private i mean the netdev->priv linkage to the master switch dev and
> not really keeping the ports from being exposed to the user.
>
> We think its better to keep the switch ports exposed as any other netdev
> on linux.
>   This approach will make the switch ports look exactly like a nic port
> and all tools will continue to work seamlessly. The switch port
> operations could internally be forwarded to the switch netdev (sw1 in
> the above case).
>
> example:
> $ip link set dev sw1p0 up
> $ethtool -S sw1p0
>

I like the approach. I know the above is a simple version, but i am
assuming you also mean i can do things like
ip route add ...
bridge fdb add ... (and if you like your brctl go ahead)
bonding ...



>
> whether sw1 is needed as a separate netdev existing on the system is
> debatable.

I dont see need to expose it. For 1, it will be confusing to have this
netdev whose only task is to control the chip.

> Most cases the switch port driver (API) can talk to the switch chip
> driver without a switch netdev in between.
> But there are cases where a switch netdev might become necessary for
> switch chip specific operations (which probably has been discussed on
> this thread). An example could be a global acl rule that applies to all
> switch ports. One can argue that this can be applied on individual
> switch ports and the switch driver can take care of consolidating or
> optimally programming the acl rule in the switch chip.
>

There are a lot of things which dont tie to a specific port.
I think these should be transparent to the chip. If i add a route
and the decision is for that route to go to the chip, then it
shows up at the driver and it goes to the ASIC.
If i am dumping a fib table and some parts of it sit in the chip,
then whatever interfaces would end up querying the chip.

cheers,
jamal


> Thanks,
> Roopa
>
>
>
>
>

  reply	other threads:[~2014-03-26 10:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 125+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-03-19 15:33 [patch net-next RFC 0/4] introduce infrastructure for support of switch chip datapath Jiri Pirko
2014-03-19 15:33 ` [patch net-next RFC 1/4] openvswitch: split flow structures into ovs specific and generic ones Jiri Pirko
2014-03-20 13:04   ` Thomas Graf
2014-03-19 15:33 ` [patch net-next RFC 2/4] net: introduce switchdev API Jiri Pirko
2014-03-20 13:59   ` Thomas Graf
2014-03-20 14:18     ` Jiri Pirko
2014-03-20 14:43   ` Nikolay Aleksandrov
2014-03-20 15:42     ` Jiri Pirko
2014-03-19 15:33 ` [patch net-next RFC 3/4] openvswitch: Introduce support for switchdev based datapath Jiri Pirko
2014-03-19 15:33 ` [patch net-next RFC 4/4] net: introduce dummy switch Jiri Pirko
2014-03-20 11:49 ` [patch net-next RFC 0/4] introduce infrastructure for support of switch chip datapath Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-03-20 12:40   ` Jiri Pirko
2014-03-20 17:21     ` Florian Fainelli
2014-03-21 12:04       ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-03-22  9:48         ` Jiri Pirko
2014-03-24 23:07           ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-03-25 17:39             ` Neil Horman
2014-03-25 18:00               ` Thomas Graf
2014-03-25 19:35                 ` Neil Horman
2014-03-25 20:11                   ` Florian Fainelli
2014-03-25 20:31                     ` Neil Horman
2014-03-25 21:22                       ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-03-25 21:26                     ` Thomas Graf
2014-03-25 21:42                       ` Florian Fainelli
2014-03-25 21:54                         ` Thomas Graf
2014-03-26 10:55                           ` Neil Horman
2014-03-26  5:37                     ` Roopa Prabhu
2014-03-26 10:54                       ` Jamal Hadi Salim [this message]
2014-03-26 15:31                         ` John W. Linville
2014-03-26 16:54                         ` Roopa Prabhu
2014-03-26 16:59                           ` Jiri Pirko
2014-03-26 17:29                             ` Florian Fainelli
2014-03-26 17:35                               ` Jiri Pirko
2014-03-26 17:58                                 ` Florian Fainelli
2014-03-26 18:14                                   ` Jiri Pirko
2014-03-26 18:29                                     ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2014-03-26 18:30                                     ` Florian Fainelli
2014-03-26 21:51                                     ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-03-26 22:22                                       ` Florian Fainelli
2014-03-26 22:53                                         ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-03-26 23:16                                           ` Florian Fainelli
2014-03-27  6:56                                         ` Jiri Pirko
2014-03-27 10:39                                           ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-03-27 10:50                                             ` Jiri Pirko
2014-03-27 11:12                                               ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-03-27 11:16                                                 ` Jiri Pirko
2014-03-27 14:10                                           ` Sergey Ryazanov
2014-03-27 16:41                                             ` Florian Fainelli
2014-03-27 16:57                                               ` Jiri Pirko
2014-03-27 16:59                                               ` Thomas Graf
2014-03-27 20:32                                               ` Sergey Ryazanov
2014-03-27 21:20                                                 ` Florian Fainelli
2014-03-27 21:55                                                   ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-03-28  6:28                                                   ` Jiri Pirko
2014-03-30 12:08                                                     ` Alon Harel
2014-03-27 21:41                                               ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-03-27 16:55                                             ` Jiri Pirko
2014-03-27 19:58                                               ` Sergey Ryazanov
2014-03-27 20:01                                                 ` Florian Fainelli
2014-03-27 20:04                                                   ` Sergey Ryazanov
2014-03-27 21:47                                                   ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-03-27 21:54                                                     ` Florian Fainelli
2014-03-27 21:59                                                       ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-03-27 22:19                                                         ` Florian Fainelli
2014-03-27 23:42                                                         ` Thomas Graf
2014-03-27 23:46                                                           ` Florian Fainelli
2014-03-26 17:57                               ` Roopa Prabhu
2014-03-26 18:09                                 ` Florian Fainelli
2014-03-27 13:46                                   ` John W. Linville
2014-03-26 17:47                             ` Roopa Prabhu
2014-03-26 18:03                               ` Jiri Pirko
2014-03-26 21:27                                 ` Roopa Prabhu
2014-03-26 21:31                                   ` Jiri Pirko
2014-03-27 15:35                                     ` Roopa Prabhu
2014-03-27 16:10                                       ` Jiri Pirko
2014-04-01 19:13                                 ` Scott Feldman
2014-04-02  6:41                                   ` Jiri Pirko
2014-04-02 15:37                                     ` Scott Feldman
2014-04-02 14:32                                   ` Andy Gospodarek
2014-04-02 15:25                                     ` John W. Linville
2014-04-02 16:15                                       ` Scott Feldman
2014-04-02 16:47                                         ` Florian Fainelli
2014-04-02 21:52                                           ` Thomas Graf
2014-04-02 19:29                                         ` John W. Linville
2014-04-02 19:54                                           ` Scott Feldman
2014-04-02 20:06                                             ` John W. Linville
2014-04-02 20:04                                           ` Stephen Hemminger
2014-04-02 20:23                                             ` Jiri Pirko
2014-04-02 20:38                                               ` John W. Linville
2014-04-02 21:36                                                 ` Thomas Graf
2014-03-25 20:56                   ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-03-25 21:19                     ` Thomas Graf
2014-03-25 21:24                       ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-03-26  7:21                       ` Jiri Pirko
2014-03-26 11:00                         ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-03-26 11:06                           ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-03-26 11:31                             ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-03-26 13:20                             ` Jiri Pirko
2014-03-26 13:23                               ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-03-26 13:17                           ` Jiri Pirko
2014-03-26 11:10                     ` Neil Horman
2014-03-26 11:29                       ` Thomas Graf
2014-03-26 12:58                         ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-03-26 15:22                         ` John W. Linville
2014-03-26 21:36                           ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-03-26 18:21                         ` Neil Horman
2014-03-26 19:11                           ` Florian Fainelli
2014-03-26 22:44                             ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-03-26 23:15                               ` Thomas Graf
2014-03-26 23:21                                 ` Florian Fainelli
2014-03-27 15:26                               ` Neil Horman
2014-03-27 21:33                                 ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-03-26 19:24                           ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2014-03-27 13:43                           ` John W. Linville
2014-03-26 12:19                       ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-03-26 15:27                       ` John W. Linville
2014-03-25 18:33               ` Florian Fainelli
2014-03-25 19:40                 ` Neil Horman
2014-03-25 20:00                   ` Florian Fainelli
2014-03-25 21:39                     ` tgraf
2014-03-25 22:08                       ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-03-26  5:48                         ` Roopa Prabhu
2014-03-25 20:46               ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-03-26  7:24               ` Jiri Pirko
2014-03-22  9:40       ` Jiri Pirko

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