From: Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>
To: "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>
Cc: Rich Felker <dalias@libc.org>, Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com>,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
samba-technical@lists.samba.org,
Ganesha NFS List <nfs-ganesha-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>,
Carlos O'Donell <carlos@redhat.com>,
libc-alpha <libc-alpha@sourceware.org>,
"Stefan (metze) Metzmacher" <metze@samba.org>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] locks: rename file-private locks to file-description locks
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 14:48:41 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140421184841.GA5105@thunk.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5355644C.7000801@gmail.com>
On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 08:32:44PM +0200, Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) wrote:
> So, can you *please* answer this question: what do you call (i.e.,
> what everyday technical language term do use for) the thing
> that sits between a file descriptor and an i-node?
>
> (Please don't say 'struct file' -- that is not is an implementation
> detail, and does not qualify as the kind of term that I could use
> when documenting this feature in man pages.)
At least in a few places, if you are going to use "file description",
could you at least add a parenthetical comment:
(commonly called a "struct file" by Linux kernel developers)
Yes, it's an implementation detail, but it's one that's been around
for over two decades, and IMHO highly unlikely to change in the
future. So if you really want to use the POSIX terminology, it would
probably be a good idea to also use the term of art which is in common
use by the kernel developers, and I suspect has leaked out beyond
that.
I think it's actually a better and more functional name than what
POSIX uses, so maybe the best compromise is to use both, to make sure
there is no confusion. In particular, if we have text in the man
pages where we have "file description" and "file descriptor" in the
close proximity it would probably be good to add "(i.e., a struct file
by Linux kernel developers)" just for clarity.
Cheers,
- Ted
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-04-21 18:49 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-04-21 13:45 [PATCH] locks: rename file-private locks to file-description locks Jeff Layton
2014-04-21 14:02 ` Rich Felker
2014-04-21 14:23 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-04-21 16:09 ` Christoph Hellwig
2014-04-21 16:42 ` Jeff Layton
2014-04-21 17:03 ` [Nfs-ganesha-devel] " Frank Filz
2014-04-21 18:20 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-04-21 16:10 ` Rich Felker
2014-04-21 16:45 ` Jeff Layton
2014-04-21 16:45 ` Jeff Layton
2014-04-21 18:01 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-21 18:43 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-04-21 18:18 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-04-21 18:32 ` Jeff Layton
2014-04-21 18:48 ` Rich Felker
2014-04-21 19:16 ` Jeff Layton
2014-04-21 20:22 ` Rich Felker
2014-04-21 18:32 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-04-21 18:34 ` Christoph Hellwig
2014-04-21 18:39 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-04-21 18:46 ` Rich Felker
2014-04-21 19:39 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-04-21 19:55 ` Jeff Layton
2014-04-21 21:15 ` Stefan (metze) Metzmacher
2014-04-22 4:54 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-04-27 4:51 ` NeilBrown
2014-04-27 9:14 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-04-27 9:16 ` flock() and NFS [Was: Re: [PATCH] locks: rename file-private locks to file-description locks] Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-04-27 10:04 ` NeilBrown
2014-04-27 10:04 ` NeilBrown
2014-04-27 11:11 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-04-27 11:11 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-04-27 21:28 ` NeilBrown
2014-04-27 21:28 ` NeilBrown
2014-04-29 9:07 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-04-29 9:07 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-04-29 9:24 ` NeilBrown
2014-04-29 9:53 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-04-29 9:53 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-04-29 11:34 ` Jeff Layton
2014-04-29 11:34 ` Jeff Layton
2014-04-29 12:20 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-04-28 10:23 ` [PATCH] locks: rename file-private locks to file-description locks Jeff Layton
2014-04-28 10:46 ` NeilBrown
2014-04-21 18:48 ` Theodore Ts'o [this message]
2014-04-21 18:51 ` Rich Felker
2014-04-21 19:04 ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-04-21 19:06 ` Christoph Hellwig
2014-04-21 20:10 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-04-21 20:20 ` Rich Felker
2014-04-21 14:25 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-04-21 16:05 ` Stefan (metze) Metzmacher
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