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From: NeilBrown <neilb@suse.de>
To: mtk.manpages@gmail.com
Cc: "Stefan (metze) Metzmacher" <metze@samba.org>,
	Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com>,
	"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Ganesha NFS List <nfs-ganesha-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>,
	Suresh Jayaraman <sjayaraman@suse.de>,
	Trond Myklebust <trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	linux-nfs <linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org>,
	"J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>
Subject: Re: flock() and NFS [Was: Re: [PATCH] locks: rename file-private locks to file-description locks]
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 07:28:45 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140428072845.67f48d8e@notabene.brown> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKgNAkgv5NqDRUNu0XtSABqmctd7=rpMMEYhhDQNzPssZuU5bA@mail.gmail.com>

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On Sun, 27 Apr 2014 13:11:33 +0200 "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)"
<mtk.manpages@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 12:04 PM, NeilBrown <neilb@suse.de> wrote:
> > On Sun, 27 Apr 2014 11:16:02 +0200 "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)"
> > <mtk.manpages@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> [Trimming some folk from CC, and adding various NFS people]
> >>
> >> On 04/27/2014 06:51 AM, NeilBrown wrote:
> >>
> >> [...]
> >>
> >> > Note to Michael: The text
> >> >    flock() does not lock files over NFS.
> >> > in flock(2) is no longer accurate.  The reality is ... complex.
> >> > See nfs(5), and search for "local_lock".
> >>
> >> Ahhh -- I see:
> >> http://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=5eebde23223aeb0ad2d9e3be6590ff8bbfab0fc2
> >>
> >> Thanks for the heads up.
> >>
> >> Just in general, it would be great if the flock(2) and fcntl(2) man pages
> >> contained correct details for NFS, of course. So, for example, if there
> >> are any current gotchas for NFS and fcntl() byte-range locking, I'd like
> >> to add those to the fcntl(2) man page.
> >
> > The only peculiarities I can think of are:
> >  - With NFS, locking or unlocking a region forces a flush of any cached data
> >    for that file (or maybe for the region of the file).  I'm not sure if this
> >    is worth mentioning.
> 
> I agree that it's probably not necessary to mention.
> 
> >  - With NFSv4 the client can lose a lock if it is out of contact with the
> >    server for a period of time.  When this happens, any IO to the file by a
> >    process which "thinks" it holds a lock will fail until that process closes
> >    and re-opens the file.
> >    This behaviour is since 3.12.  Prior to that the client might lose and
> >    regain the lock without ever knowing thus potentially risking corruption
> >    (but only if client and server lost contact for an extended period).
> 
> Do you have a pointer for that commit to 3.12?
> 

http://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=ef1820f9be27b6ad158f433ab38002ab8131db4d

did most of the work while  the subsequent commit

http://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=f6de7a39c181dfb8a2c534661a53c73afb3081cd

changed some details, added some documentation, and inverted the default
behaviour.

NeilBrown

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From: NeilBrown <neilb-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
To: mtk.manpages-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org
Cc: "Stefan (metze) Metzmacher"
	<metze-eUNUBHrolfbYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>,
	Jeff Layton <jlayton-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	"linux-fsdevel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
	<linux-fsdevel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	lkml <linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	Ganesha NFS List
	<nfs-ganesha-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org>,
	Suresh Jayaraman <sjayaraman-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>,
	Trond Myklebust
	<trond.myklebust-41N18TsMXrtuMpJDpNschA@public.gmane.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-nfs <linux-nfs-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	"J. Bruce Fields"
	<bfields-uC3wQj2KruNg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: flock() and NFS [Was: Re: [PATCH] locks: rename file-private locks to file-description locks]
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 07:28:45 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140428072845.67f48d8e@notabene.brown> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKgNAkgv5NqDRUNu0XtSABqmctd7=rpMMEYhhDQNzPssZuU5bA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>

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On Sun, 27 Apr 2014 13:11:33 +0200 "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)"
<mtk.manpages-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:

> On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 12:04 PM, NeilBrown <neilb-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> > On Sun, 27 Apr 2014 11:16:02 +0200 "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)"
> > <mtk.manpages-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> >
> >> [Trimming some folk from CC, and adding various NFS people]
> >>
> >> On 04/27/2014 06:51 AM, NeilBrown wrote:
> >>
> >> [...]
> >>
> >> > Note to Michael: The text
> >> >    flock() does not lock files over NFS.
> >> > in flock(2) is no longer accurate.  The reality is ... complex.
> >> > See nfs(5), and search for "local_lock".
> >>
> >> Ahhh -- I see:
> >> http://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=5eebde23223aeb0ad2d9e3be6590ff8bbfab0fc2
> >>
> >> Thanks for the heads up.
> >>
> >> Just in general, it would be great if the flock(2) and fcntl(2) man pages
> >> contained correct details for NFS, of course. So, for example, if there
> >> are any current gotchas for NFS and fcntl() byte-range locking, I'd like
> >> to add those to the fcntl(2) man page.
> >
> > The only peculiarities I can think of are:
> >  - With NFS, locking or unlocking a region forces a flush of any cached data
> >    for that file (or maybe for the region of the file).  I'm not sure if this
> >    is worth mentioning.
> 
> I agree that it's probably not necessary to mention.
> 
> >  - With NFSv4 the client can lose a lock if it is out of contact with the
> >    server for a period of time.  When this happens, any IO to the file by a
> >    process which "thinks" it holds a lock will fail until that process closes
> >    and re-opens the file.
> >    This behaviour is since 3.12.  Prior to that the client might lose and
> >    regain the lock without ever knowing thus potentially risking corruption
> >    (but only if client and server lost contact for an extended period).
> 
> Do you have a pointer for that commit to 3.12?
> 

http://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=ef1820f9be27b6ad158f433ab38002ab8131db4d

did most of the work while  the subsequent commit

http://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=f6de7a39c181dfb8a2c534661a53c73afb3081cd

changed some details, added some documentation, and inverted the default
behaviour.

NeilBrown

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  reply	other threads:[~2014-04-27 21:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-04-21 13:45 [PATCH] locks: rename file-private locks to file-description locks Jeff Layton
2014-04-21 14:02 ` Rich Felker
2014-04-21 14:23   ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-04-21 16:09     ` Christoph Hellwig
2014-04-21 16:42       ` Jeff Layton
2014-04-21 17:03       ` [Nfs-ganesha-devel] " Frank Filz
2014-04-21 18:20       ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-04-21 16:10     ` Rich Felker
2014-04-21 16:45       ` Jeff Layton
2014-04-21 16:45         ` Jeff Layton
2014-04-21 18:01         ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-21 18:43           ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-04-21 18:18         ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-04-21 18:32           ` Jeff Layton
2014-04-21 18:48             ` Rich Felker
2014-04-21 19:16               ` Jeff Layton
2014-04-21 20:22                 ` Rich Felker
2014-04-21 18:32       ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-04-21 18:34         ` Christoph Hellwig
2014-04-21 18:39           ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-04-21 18:46         ` Rich Felker
2014-04-21 19:39           ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-04-21 19:55             ` Jeff Layton
2014-04-21 21:15               ` Stefan (metze) Metzmacher
2014-04-22  4:54                 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-04-27  4:51                   ` NeilBrown
2014-04-27  9:14                     ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-04-27  9:16                     ` flock() and NFS [Was: Re: [PATCH] locks: rename file-private locks to file-description locks] Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-04-27 10:04                       ` NeilBrown
2014-04-27 10:04                         ` NeilBrown
2014-04-27 11:11                         ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-04-27 11:11                           ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-04-27 21:28                           ` NeilBrown [this message]
2014-04-27 21:28                             ` NeilBrown
2014-04-29  9:07                             ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-04-29  9:07                               ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-04-29  9:24                               ` NeilBrown
2014-04-29  9:53                                 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-04-29  9:53                                   ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-04-29 11:34                                   ` Jeff Layton
2014-04-29 11:34                                     ` Jeff Layton
2014-04-29 12:20                                     ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-04-28 10:23                     ` [PATCH] locks: rename file-private locks to file-description locks Jeff Layton
2014-04-28 10:46                       ` NeilBrown
2014-04-21 18:48         ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-04-21 18:51           ` Rich Felker
2014-04-21 19:04             ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-04-21 19:06               ` Christoph Hellwig
2014-04-21 20:10                 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-04-21 20:20               ` Rich Felker
2014-04-21 14:25 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-04-21 16:05 ` Stefan (metze) Metzmacher

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