From: "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>
To: NeilBrown <neilb@suse.de>
Cc: mtk.manpages@gmail.com,
"Stefan (metze) Metzmacher" <metze@samba.org>,
Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com>,
"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Ganesha NFS List <nfs-ganesha-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>,
Suresh Jayaraman <sjayaraman@suse.de>,
Trond Myklebust <trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
linux-nfs <linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org>,
"J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>
Subject: Re: flock() and NFS [Was: Re: [PATCH] locks: rename file-private locks to file-description locks]
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 11:07:16 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <535F6BC4.2090601@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140428072845.67f48d8e@notabene.brown>
On 04/27/2014 11:28 PM, NeilBrown wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Apr 2014 13:11:33 +0200 "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)"
> <mtk.manpages@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 12:04 PM, NeilBrown <neilb@suse.de> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 27 Apr 2014 11:16:02 +0200 "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)"
>>> <mtk.manpages@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> [Trimming some folk from CC, and adding various NFS people]
>>>>
>>>> On 04/27/2014 06:51 AM, NeilBrown wrote:
>>>>
>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>>> Note to Michael: The text
>>>>> flock() does not lock files over NFS.
>>>>> in flock(2) is no longer accurate. The reality is ... complex.
>>>>> See nfs(5), and search for "local_lock".
>>>>
>>>> Ahhh -- I see:
>>>> http://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=5eebde23223aeb0ad2d9e3be6590ff8bbfab0fc2
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the heads up.
>>>>
>>>> Just in general, it would be great if the flock(2) and fcntl(2) man pages
>>>> contained correct details for NFS, of course. So, for example, if there
>>>> are any current gotchas for NFS and fcntl() byte-range locking, I'd like
>>>> to add those to the fcntl(2) man page.
>>>
>>> The only peculiarities I can think of are:
>>> - With NFS, locking or unlocking a region forces a flush of any cached data
>>> for that file (or maybe for the region of the file). I'm not sure if this
>>> is worth mentioning.
>>
>> I agree that it's probably not necessary to mention.
>>
>>> - With NFSv4 the client can lose a lock if it is out of contact with the
>>> server for a period of time. When this happens, any IO to the file by a
>>> process which "thinks" it holds a lock will fail until that process closes
>>> and re-opens the file.
>>> This behaviour is since 3.12. Prior to that the client might lose and
>>> regain the lock without ever knowing thus potentially risking corruption
>>> (but only if client and server lost contact for an extended period).
>>
>> Do you have a pointer for that commit to 3.12?
>>
>
> http://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=ef1820f9be27b6ad158f433ab38002ab8131db4d
>
> did most of the work while the subsequent commit
>
> http://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=f6de7a39c181dfb8a2c534661a53c73afb3081cd
>
> changed some details, added some documentation, and inverted the default
> behaviour.
Thanks for that detail. What do you think of the following text for the
fcntl(2) man page:
Before Linux 3.12, if an NFS client is out of contact with the
server for a period of time, it might lose and regain a lock
without ever being aware of the fact. This scenario poten‐
tially risks data corruption, since another process might
acquire a lock in the intervening period and perform file I/O.
Since Linux 3.12, if the client loses contact with the server,
any I/O to the file by a process which "thinks" it holds a lock
will fail until that process closes and reopens the file. A
kernel parameter, nfs.recover_lost_locks, can be set to 1 to
obtain the pre-3.12 behavior, whereby the client will attempt
to recover lost locks when contact is reestablished with the
server. Because of the attendant risk of data corruption, this
parameter defaults to 0 (disabled).
?
Cheers,
Michael
--
Michael Kerrisk
Linux man-pages maintainer; http://www.kernel.org/doc/man-pages/
Linux/UNIX System Programming Training: http://man7.org/training/
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>
To: NeilBrown <neilb@suse.de>
Cc: mtk.manpages@gmail.com,
"Stefan (metze) Metzmacher" <metze@samba.org>,
Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com>,
"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Ganesha NFS List <nfs-ganesha-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>,
Suresh Jayaraman <sjayaraman@suse.de>,
Trond Myklebust <trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
linux-nfs <linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org>,
"J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>
Subject: Re: flock() and NFS [Was: Re: [PATCH] locks: rename file-private locks to file-description locks]
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 11:07:16 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <535F6BC4.2090601@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140428072845.67f48d8e@notabene.brown>
On 04/27/2014 11:28 PM, NeilBrown wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Apr 2014 13:11:33 +0200 "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)"
> <mtk.manpages@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 12:04 PM, NeilBrown <neilb@suse.de> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 27 Apr 2014 11:16:02 +0200 "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)"
>>> <mtk.manpages@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> [Trimming some folk from CC, and adding various NFS people]
>>>>
>>>> On 04/27/2014 06:51 AM, NeilBrown wrote:
>>>>
>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>>> Note to Michael: The text
>>>>> flock() does not lock files over NFS.
>>>>> in flock(2) is no longer accurate. The reality is ... complex.
>>>>> See nfs(5), and search for "local_lock".
>>>>
>>>> Ahhh -- I see:
>>>> http://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=5eebde23223aeb0ad2d9e3be6590ff8bbfab0fc2
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the heads up.
>>>>
>>>> Just in general, it would be great if the flock(2) and fcntl(2) man pages
>>>> contained correct details for NFS, of course. So, for example, if there
>>>> are any current gotchas for NFS and fcntl() byte-range locking, I'd like
>>>> to add those to the fcntl(2) man page.
>>>
>>> The only peculiarities I can think of are:
>>> - With NFS, locking or unlocking a region forces a flush of any cached data
>>> for that file (or maybe for the region of the file). I'm not sure if this
>>> is worth mentioning.
>>
>> I agree that it's probably not necessary to mention.
>>
>>> - With NFSv4 the client can lose a lock if it is out of contact with the
>>> server for a period of time. When this happens, any IO to the file by a
>>> process which "thinks" it holds a lock will fail until that process closes
>>> and re-opens the file.
>>> This behaviour is since 3.12. Prior to that the client might lose and
>>> regain the lock without ever knowing thus potentially risking corruption
>>> (but only if client and server lost contact for an extended period).
>>
>> Do you have a pointer for that commit to 3.12?
>>
>
> http://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=ef1820f9be27b6ad158f433ab38002ab8131db4d
>
> did most of the work while the subsequent commit
>
> http://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=f6de7a39c181dfb8a2c534661a53c73afb3081cd
>
> changed some details, added some documentation, and inverted the default
> behaviour.
Thanks for that detail. What do you think of the following text for the
fcntl(2) man page:
Before Linux 3.12, if an NFS client is out of contact with the
server for a period of time, it might lose and regain a lock
without ever being aware of the fact. This scenario poten‐
tially risks data corruption, since another process might
acquire a lock in the intervening period and perform file I/O.
Since Linux 3.12, if the client loses contact with the server,
any I/O to the file by a process which "thinks" it holds a lock
will fail until that process closes and reopens the file. A
kernel parameter, nfs.recover_lost_locks, can be set to 1 to
obtain the pre-3.12 behavior, whereby the client will attempt
to recover lost locks when contact is reestablished with the
server. Because of the attendant risk of data corruption, this
parameter defaults to 0 (disabled).
?
Cheers,
Michael
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Linux/UNIX System Programming Training: http://man7.org/training/
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Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-04-21 13:45 [PATCH] locks: rename file-private locks to file-description locks Jeff Layton
2014-04-21 14:02 ` Rich Felker
2014-04-21 14:23 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-04-21 16:09 ` Christoph Hellwig
2014-04-21 16:42 ` Jeff Layton
2014-04-21 17:03 ` [Nfs-ganesha-devel] " Frank Filz
2014-04-21 18:20 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-04-21 16:10 ` Rich Felker
2014-04-21 16:45 ` Jeff Layton
2014-04-21 16:45 ` Jeff Layton
2014-04-21 18:01 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-21 18:43 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-04-21 18:18 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-04-21 18:32 ` Jeff Layton
2014-04-21 18:48 ` Rich Felker
2014-04-21 19:16 ` Jeff Layton
2014-04-21 20:22 ` Rich Felker
2014-04-21 18:32 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-04-21 18:34 ` Christoph Hellwig
2014-04-21 18:39 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-04-21 18:46 ` Rich Felker
2014-04-21 19:39 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-04-21 19:55 ` Jeff Layton
2014-04-21 21:15 ` Stefan (metze) Metzmacher
2014-04-22 4:54 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-04-27 4:51 ` NeilBrown
2014-04-27 9:14 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-04-27 9:16 ` flock() and NFS [Was: Re: [PATCH] locks: rename file-private locks to file-description locks] Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-04-27 10:04 ` NeilBrown
2014-04-27 10:04 ` NeilBrown
2014-04-27 11:11 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-04-27 11:11 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-04-27 21:28 ` NeilBrown
2014-04-27 21:28 ` NeilBrown
2014-04-29 9:07 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) [this message]
2014-04-29 9:07 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-04-29 9:24 ` NeilBrown
2014-04-29 9:53 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-04-29 9:53 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-04-29 11:34 ` Jeff Layton
2014-04-29 11:34 ` Jeff Layton
2014-04-29 12:20 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-04-28 10:23 ` [PATCH] locks: rename file-private locks to file-description locks Jeff Layton
2014-04-28 10:46 ` NeilBrown
2014-04-21 18:48 ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-04-21 18:51 ` Rich Felker
2014-04-21 19:04 ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-04-21 19:06 ` Christoph Hellwig
2014-04-21 20:10 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-04-21 20:20 ` Rich Felker
2014-04-21 14:25 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-04-21 16:05 ` Stefan (metze) Metzmacher
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