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From: Johannes Weiner <hannes-druUgvl0LCNAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko-AlSwsSmVLrQ@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Tejun Heo <tj-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	lizefan-hv44wF8Li93QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org,
	cgroups-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] memcg: deprecate memory.force_empty knob
Date: Tue, 13 May 2014 09:16:56 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140513131655.GC18849@cmpxchg.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140512153458.GJ9564-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>

On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 05:34:58PM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
> On Mon 12-05-14 11:25:07, Tejun Heo wrote:
> > On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 05:20:15PM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > > On Mon 12-05-14 11:00:14, Tejun Heo wrote:
> > > > On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 04:58:03PM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > > > > @@ -4793,6 +4793,10 @@ static int mem_cgroup_force_empty_write(struct cgroup_subsys_state *css,
> > > > >  
> > > > >  	if (mem_cgroup_is_root(memcg))
> > > > >  		return -EINVAL;
> > > > > +	pr_info("%s (%d): memory.force_empty is deprecated and will be removed.",
> > > > > +			current->comm, task_pid_nr(current));
> > > > > +	pr_cont(" Let us know if you know if it needed in your usecase at");
> > > > > +	pr_cont(" linux-mm-Bw31MaZKKs3YtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org\n");
> > > > >  	return mem_cgroup_force_empty(memcg);
> > > > 
> > > > It probably would be way easier to just mark the knob with
> > > > CFTYPE_INSANE.
> > > 
> > > That would prevent from creating the file, right? I do not mind that but
> > > I would like to see people complaining before.
> > 
> > Oh sure, if you wanna see people complaining before the roll out of
> > unified hierarchy, but let's make sure it's also marked with
> > CFTYPE_INSANE.  It's easy to remove the flag afterwards.  The other
> > way isn't, so...
> ---
> >From 6f2a33df7750f0794b03f7a85aba02a4e631f2a0 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
> From: Michal Hocko <mhocko-AlSwsSmVLrQ@public.gmane.org>
> Date: Mon, 12 May 2014 16:20:46 +0200
> Subject: [PATCH] memcg: deprecate memory.force_empty knob
> 
> force_empty has been introduced primarily to drop memory before it gets
> reparented on the group removal. This alone doesn't sound fully
> justified because reparented pages which are not in use can be reclaimed
> also later when there is a memory pressure on the parent level.
> 
> Mark the knob CFTYPE_INSANE which tells the cgroup core that it
> shouldn't create the knob with the experimental sane_behavior. Other
> users will get informed about the deprecation and asked to tell us more.
> But I expect that most users will be simply cgroup remove handlers
> which do that since ever without having any good reason for it.
> 
> If somebody really cares and the reparented pages, which would be dropped
> otherwise, push out more important ones then we should fix the
> reparenting code and put pages to the tail.
> 
> Signed-off-by: Michal Hocko <mhocko-AlSwsSmVLrQ@public.gmane.org>

I'm skeptical the printk will do anything useful, but you marked the
knob insane and that's the most important change.

Acked-by: Johannes Weiner <hannes-druUgvl0LCNAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>
Cc: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	lizefan@huawei.com, cgroups@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] memcg: deprecate memory.force_empty knob
Date: Tue, 13 May 2014 09:16:56 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140513131655.GC18849@cmpxchg.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140512153458.GJ9564@dhcp22.suse.cz>

On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 05:34:58PM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
> On Mon 12-05-14 11:25:07, Tejun Heo wrote:
> > On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 05:20:15PM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > > On Mon 12-05-14 11:00:14, Tejun Heo wrote:
> > > > On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 04:58:03PM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > > > > @@ -4793,6 +4793,10 @@ static int mem_cgroup_force_empty_write(struct cgroup_subsys_state *css,
> > > > >  
> > > > >  	if (mem_cgroup_is_root(memcg))
> > > > >  		return -EINVAL;
> > > > > +	pr_info("%s (%d): memory.force_empty is deprecated and will be removed.",
> > > > > +			current->comm, task_pid_nr(current));
> > > > > +	pr_cont(" Let us know if you know if it needed in your usecase at");
> > > > > +	pr_cont(" linux-mm@kvack.org\n");
> > > > >  	return mem_cgroup_force_empty(memcg);
> > > > 
> > > > It probably would be way easier to just mark the knob with
> > > > CFTYPE_INSANE.
> > > 
> > > That would prevent from creating the file, right? I do not mind that but
> > > I would like to see people complaining before.
> > 
> > Oh sure, if you wanna see people complaining before the roll out of
> > unified hierarchy, but let's make sure it's also marked with
> > CFTYPE_INSANE.  It's easy to remove the flag afterwards.  The other
> > way isn't, so...
> ---
> >From 6f2a33df7750f0794b03f7a85aba02a4e631f2a0 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
> From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>
> Date: Mon, 12 May 2014 16:20:46 +0200
> Subject: [PATCH] memcg: deprecate memory.force_empty knob
> 
> force_empty has been introduced primarily to drop memory before it gets
> reparented on the group removal. This alone doesn't sound fully
> justified because reparented pages which are not in use can be reclaimed
> also later when there is a memory pressure on the parent level.
> 
> Mark the knob CFTYPE_INSANE which tells the cgroup core that it
> shouldn't create the knob with the experimental sane_behavior. Other
> users will get informed about the deprecation and asked to tell us more.
> But I expect that most users will be simply cgroup remove handlers
> which do that since ever without having any good reason for it.
> 
> If somebody really cares and the reparented pages, which would be dropped
> otherwise, push out more important ones then we should fix the
> reparenting code and put pages to the tail.
> 
> Signed-off-by: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>

I'm skeptical the printk will do anything useful, but you marked the
knob insane and that's the most important change.

Acked-by: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>

  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-05-13 13:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-05-09 21:31 [PATCHSET cgroup/for-3.16] cgroup: iterate cgroup_subsys_states directly Tejun Heo
2014-05-09 21:31 ` Tejun Heo
2014-05-09 21:31 ` [PATCH 01/14] cgroup: remove css_parent() Tejun Heo
2014-05-12 13:16   ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]   ` <1399671091-23867-2-git-send-email-tj-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-11  1:47     ` David Miller
2014-05-11  1:47       ` David Miller
2014-05-11 13:02     ` Neil Horman
2014-05-11 13:02       ` Neil Horman
2014-05-13 18:50     ` [PATCH v2 " Tejun Heo
2014-05-13 18:50       ` Tejun Heo
2014-05-09 21:31 ` [PATCH 04/14] device_cgroup: remove direct access to cgroup->children Tejun Heo
     [not found]   ` <1399671091-23867-5-git-send-email-tj-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-13 12:56     ` Aristeu Rozanski
2014-05-13 12:56       ` Aristeu Rozanski
2014-05-14 12:52     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2014-05-14 12:52       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2014-05-09 21:31 ` [PATCH 05/14] cgroup: remove cgroup->parent Tejun Heo
2014-05-09 21:31 ` [PATCH 08/14] cgroup: move cgroup->serial_nr into cgroup_subsys_state Tejun Heo
2014-05-09 21:31 ` [PATCH 09/14] cgroup: introduce CSS_RELEASED and reduce css iteration fallback window Tejun Heo
     [not found]   ` <1399671091-23867-10-git-send-email-tj-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-16 16:07     ` [PATCH v2 " Tejun Heo
2014-05-16 16:07       ` Tejun Heo
2014-05-09 21:31 ` [PATCH 10/14] cgroup: iterate cgroup_subsys_states directly Tejun Heo
2014-05-09 21:31 ` [PATCH 11/14] cgroup: use CSS_ONLINE instead of CGRP_DEAD Tejun Heo
2014-05-09 21:31 ` [PATCH 12/14] cgroup: convert cgroup_has_live_children() into css_has_online_children() Tejun Heo
2014-05-09 21:31 ` [PATCH 13/14] device_cgroup: use css_has_online_children() instead of has_children() Tejun Heo
     [not found]   ` <1399671091-23867-14-git-send-email-tj-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-13 12:56     ` Aristeu Rozanski
2014-05-13 12:56       ` Aristeu Rozanski
2014-05-14 12:53   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2014-05-09 21:31 ` [PATCH 14/14] cgroup: implement css_tryget() Tejun Heo
     [not found]   ` <1399671091-23867-15-git-send-email-tj-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-11  4:54     ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-11  4:54       ` Johannes Weiner
     [not found]       ` <20140511045459.GA25009-druUgvl0LCNAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-11 12:38         ` Tejun Heo
2014-05-11 12:38           ` Tejun Heo
2014-05-16 16:07     ` [PATCH v2 " Tejun Heo
2014-05-16 16:07       ` Tejun Heo
     [not found] ` <1399671091-23867-1-git-send-email-tj-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-09 21:31   ` [PATCH 02/14] cgroup: remove pointless has tasks/children test from mem_cgroup_force_empty() Tejun Heo
2014-05-09 21:31     ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]     ` <1399671091-23867-3-git-send-email-tj-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-12 14:53       ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-12 14:53         ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]         ` <20140512145324.GE9564-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-12 14:58           ` [PATCH] memcg: deprecate memory.force_empty knob Michal Hocko
2014-05-12 14:58             ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]             ` <20140512145803.GF9564-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-12 15:00               ` Tejun Heo
2014-05-12 15:00                 ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                 ` <20140512150014.GB1421-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-12 15:20                   ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-12 15:20                     ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-12 15:25                     ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                       ` <20140512152507.GD1421-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-12 15:34                         ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-12 15:34                           ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]                           ` <20140512153458.GJ9564-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-13 13:16                             ` Johannes Weiner [this message]
2014-05-13 13:16                               ` Johannes Weiner
     [not found]                               ` <20140513131655.GC18849-druUgvl0LCNAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-13 15:09                                 ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-13 15:09                                   ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-12 14:59           ` [PATCH 02/14] cgroup: remove pointless has tasks/children test from mem_cgroup_force_empty() Tejun Heo
2014-05-12 14:59             ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]             ` <20140512145927.GA1421-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-12 15:21               ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-12 15:21                 ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-13 13:10           ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-13 13:10             ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-13 16:46           ` Tejun Heo
2014-05-13 16:46             ` Tejun Heo
2014-05-13 18:51           ` [PATCH UPDATED 02/14] memcg: remove " Tejun Heo
2014-05-13 18:51             ` Tejun Heo
2014-05-09 21:31   ` [PATCH 03/14] memcg: update memcg_has_children() to use css_next_child() Tejun Heo
2014-05-09 21:31     ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]     ` <1399671091-23867-4-git-send-email-tj-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-12 15:18       ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-12 15:18         ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-13 16:53     ` [PATCH v2 " Tejun Heo
2014-05-09 21:31   ` [PATCH 06/14] cgroup: move cgroup->sibling and ->children into cgroup_subsys_state Tejun Heo
2014-05-09 21:31     ` Tejun Heo
2014-05-09 21:31   ` [PATCH 07/14] cgroup: link all cgroup_subsys_states in their sibling lists Tejun Heo
2014-05-09 21:31     ` Tejun Heo
2014-05-13 16:59   ` [PATCHSET cgroup/for-3.16] cgroup: iterate cgroup_subsys_states directly Tejun Heo
2014-05-13 16:59     ` Tejun Heo
2014-05-14  4:21   ` Li Zefan
2014-05-14  4:21     ` Li Zefan
     [not found]     ` <5372EF45.8060701-hv44wF8Li93QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-14 13:07       ` Tejun Heo
2014-05-14 13:07         ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]         ` <20140514130722.GE28815-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-16  1:28           ` Li Zefan
2014-05-16  1:28             ` Li Zefan
2014-05-16  1:29   ` Li Zefan
2014-05-16  1:29     ` Li Zefan
2014-05-16 16:08   ` Tejun Heo
2014-05-16 16:08     ` Tejun Heo
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2014-05-13 15:29 [PATCH] memcg: deprecate memory.force_empty knob Michal Hocko
2014-05-13 15:29 ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-13 21:39 ` Andrew Morton
2014-05-13 21:39   ` Andrew Morton
2014-05-14  9:45   ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-14  9:45     ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-16 22:00 ` Greg Thelen
2014-05-16 22:00   ` Greg Thelen
2014-05-19 14:02   ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-19 14:02     ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-19 15:50     ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-19 15:50       ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-23 12:09       ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-23 12:09         ` Michal Hocko

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