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From: Mike Turquette <mturquette@linaro.org>
To: "Uwe Kleine-König" <u.kleine-koenig@pengutronix.de>,
	"Sören Brinkmann" <soren.brinkmann@xilinx.com>
Cc: Russell King <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>,
	Stephen Boyd <sboyd@codeaurora.org>,
	linux-pm@vger.kernel.org, Viresh Kumar <viresh.kumar@linaro.org>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>,
	Michal Simek <michal.simek@xilinx.com>,
	cpufreq@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 2/5] clk: Introduce 'clk_round_rate_nearest()'
Date: Wed, 21 May 2014 13:33:00 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140521203300.9521.67546@quantum> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140521182308.GN31687@pengutronix.de>

Quoting Uwe Kleine-König (2014-05-21 11:23:08)
> Hello Sören,
> 
> On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 08:58:10AM -0700, Sören Brinkmann wrote:
> > On Wed, 2014-05-21 at 09:34AM +0200, Uwe Kleine-König wrote:
> > > On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 02:48:20PM -0700, Sören Brinkmann wrote:
> > > > On Tue, 2014-05-20 at 10:48AM -0700, Stephen Boyd wrote:
> > > > > On 05/20/14 09:01, Sören Brinkmann wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>>>> +{
> > > > > >>>>> + unsigned long lower, upper, cur, lower_last, upper_last;
> > > > > >>>>> +
> > > > > >>>>> + lower = clk_round_rate(clk, rate);
> > > > > >>>>> + if (lower >= rate)
> > > > > >>>>> +         return lower;
> > > > > >>>> Is the >-case worth a warning?
> > > > > >>> No, it's correct behavior. If you request a rate that is way lower than what the
> > > > > >>> clock can generate, returning something larger is perfectly valid, IMHO.
> > > > > >>> Which reveals one problem in this whole discussion. The API does not
> > > > > >>> require clk_round_rate() to round down. It is actually an implementation
> > > > > >>> choice that had been made for clk-divider.
> > > > > >> I'm sure it's more than an implementation choice for clk-divider. But I
> > > > > >> don't find any respective documentation (but I didn't try hard).
> > > > > > A similar discussion - without final conclusion:
> > > > > > https://lkml.org/lkml/2010/7/14/260
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > Please call this new API something like clk_find_nearest_rate() or
> > > > > something. clk_round_rate() is supposed to return the rate that will be
> > > > > set if you call clk_set_rate() with the same arguments. It's up to the
> > > > > implementation to decide if that means rounding the rate up or down or
> > > > > to the nearest value.
> > > > 
> > > > Sounds good to me. Are there any cases of clocks that round up? I think
> > > > that case would not be handled correctly. But I also don't see a use
> > > > case for such an implementation.
> > > I don't really care which semantic (i.e. round up, round down or round
> > > closest) is picked, but I'd vote that all should pick up the same. I
> > > think the least surprising definition is to choose rounding down and add
> > > the function that is under discussion here to get a nearest match.
> > > 
> > > So I suggest:
> > > 
> > >     - if round_rate is given a rate that is smaller than the
> > >       smallest available rate, return 0
> > >     - add WARN_ONCE to round_rate and set_rate if they return with a
> > >       rate bigger than requested
> > 
> > Why do you think 0 is always valid? I think for a clock that can
> > generate 40, 70, 120, clk_round_rate(20) should return 40.
> I didn't say it's a valid value. It just makes the it possible to check
> for clk_round_rate(clk, rate) <= rate.
> 
> I grepped a bit around and found da850_round_armrate which implements a
> round_rate callback returning the best match.
> omap1_clk_round_rate_ckctl_arm can return a value < 0.
> s3c2412_roundrate_usbsrc can return values that are bigger than
> requested. (I wonder if that is a bug though.)
> 
> > >     - change the return values to unsigned long
> > 
> > Yep, I agree, this should happen.
> And we're using 0 as error value? e.g. for the case where
> omap1_clk_round_rate_ckctl_arm returns -EIO now?

No. clk_round_rate returns long for a reason, which is that we can
provide an error code to the caller. From include/linux/clk.h:

/**
 * clk_round_rate - adjust a rate to the exact rate a clock can provide
 * @clk: clock source
 * @rate: desired clock rate in Hz
 *
 * Returns rounded clock rate in Hz, or negative errno.
 */

This has the unfortunate side effect that the max value we can return
safely is 2147483647 (~2GHz). So another issue here is converting clock
rates to 64-bit values.

Regards,
Mike

> 
> Best regards
> Uwe
> 
> -- 
> Pengutronix e.K.                           | Uwe Kleine-König            |
> Industrial Linux Solutions                 | http://www.pengutronix.de/  |

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: mturquette@linaro.org (Mike Turquette)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [RFC PATCH 2/5] clk: Introduce 'clk_round_rate_nearest()'
Date: Wed, 21 May 2014 13:33:00 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140521203300.9521.67546@quantum> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140521182308.GN31687@pengutronix.de>

Quoting Uwe Kleine-K?nig (2014-05-21 11:23:08)
> Hello S?ren,
> 
> On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 08:58:10AM -0700, S?ren Brinkmann wrote:
> > On Wed, 2014-05-21 at 09:34AM +0200, Uwe Kleine-K?nig wrote:
> > > On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 02:48:20PM -0700, S?ren Brinkmann wrote:
> > > > On Tue, 2014-05-20 at 10:48AM -0700, Stephen Boyd wrote:
> > > > > On 05/20/14 09:01, S?ren Brinkmann wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>>>> +{
> > > > > >>>>> + unsigned long lower, upper, cur, lower_last, upper_last;
> > > > > >>>>> +
> > > > > >>>>> + lower = clk_round_rate(clk, rate);
> > > > > >>>>> + if (lower >= rate)
> > > > > >>>>> +         return lower;
> > > > > >>>> Is the >-case worth a warning?
> > > > > >>> No, it's correct behavior. If you request a rate that is way lower than what the
> > > > > >>> clock can generate, returning something larger is perfectly valid, IMHO.
> > > > > >>> Which reveals one problem in this whole discussion. The API does not
> > > > > >>> require clk_round_rate() to round down. It is actually an implementation
> > > > > >>> choice that had been made for clk-divider.
> > > > > >> I'm sure it's more than an implementation choice for clk-divider. But I
> > > > > >> don't find any respective documentation (but I didn't try hard).
> > > > > > A similar discussion - without final conclusion:
> > > > > > https://lkml.org/lkml/2010/7/14/260
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > Please call this new API something like clk_find_nearest_rate() or
> > > > > something. clk_round_rate() is supposed to return the rate that will be
> > > > > set if you call clk_set_rate() with the same arguments. It's up to the
> > > > > implementation to decide if that means rounding the rate up or down or
> > > > > to the nearest value.
> > > > 
> > > > Sounds good to me. Are there any cases of clocks that round up? I think
> > > > that case would not be handled correctly. But I also don't see a use
> > > > case for such an implementation.
> > > I don't really care which semantic (i.e. round up, round down or round
> > > closest) is picked, but I'd vote that all should pick up the same. I
> > > think the least surprising definition is to choose rounding down and add
> > > the function that is under discussion here to get a nearest match.
> > > 
> > > So I suggest:
> > > 
> > >     - if round_rate is given a rate that is smaller than the
> > >       smallest available rate, return 0
> > >     - add WARN_ONCE to round_rate and set_rate if they return with a
> > >       rate bigger than requested
> > 
> > Why do you think 0 is always valid? I think for a clock that can
> > generate 40, 70, 120, clk_round_rate(20) should return 40.
> I didn't say it's a valid value. It just makes the it possible to check
> for clk_round_rate(clk, rate) <= rate.
> 
> I grepped a bit around and found da850_round_armrate which implements a
> round_rate callback returning the best match.
> omap1_clk_round_rate_ckctl_arm can return a value < 0.
> s3c2412_roundrate_usbsrc can return values that are bigger than
> requested. (I wonder if that is a bug though.)
> 
> > >     - change the return values to unsigned long
> > 
> > Yep, I agree, this should happen.
> And we're using 0 as error value? e.g. for the case where
> omap1_clk_round_rate_ckctl_arm returns -EIO now?

No. clk_round_rate returns long for a reason, which is that we can
provide an error code to the caller. From include/linux/clk.h:

/**
 * clk_round_rate - adjust a rate to the exact rate a clock can provide
 * @clk: clock source
 * @rate: desired clock rate in Hz
 *
 * Returns rounded clock rate in Hz, or negative errno.
 */

This has the unfortunate side effect that the max value we can return
safely is 2147483647 (~2GHz). So another issue here is converting clock
rates to 64-bit values.

Regards,
Mike

> 
> Best regards
> Uwe
> 
> -- 
> Pengutronix e.K.                           | Uwe Kleine-K?nig            |
> Industrial Linux Solutions                 | http://www.pengutronix.de/  |

  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-05-21 20:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 105+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-05-14 22:30 [RFC PATCH 0/5] Frequency resolution in CCF vs. cpufreq Soren Brinkmann
2014-05-14 22:30 ` Soren Brinkmann
2014-05-14 22:30 ` Soren Brinkmann
2014-05-14 22:30 ` [RFC PATCH 1/5] cpufreq: stats: Allow small rounding errors Soren Brinkmann
2014-05-14 22:30   ` Soren Brinkmann
2014-05-14 22:30   ` Soren Brinkmann
2014-05-14 22:30 ` [RFC PATCH 2/5] clk: Introduce 'clk_round_rate_nearest()' Soren Brinkmann
2014-05-14 22:30   ` Soren Brinkmann
2014-05-15  7:38   ` Uwe Kleine-König
2014-05-15  7:38     ` Uwe Kleine-König
2014-05-15 14:10     ` Sören Brinkmann
2014-05-15 14:10       ` Sören Brinkmann
2014-05-15 14:10       ` Sören Brinkmann
2014-05-19  0:51     ` Sören Brinkmann
2014-05-19  0:51       ` Sören Brinkmann
2014-05-19  0:51       ` Sören Brinkmann
2014-05-19 16:19       ` Uwe Kleine-König
2014-05-19 16:19         ` Uwe Kleine-König
2014-05-19 16:41         ` Sören Brinkmann
2014-05-19 16:41           ` Sören Brinkmann
2014-05-19 16:41           ` Sören Brinkmann
2014-05-19 17:29           ` Sören Brinkmann
2014-05-19 17:29             ` Sören Brinkmann
2014-05-19 17:29             ` Sören Brinkmann
2014-05-20  7:51             ` Uwe Kleine-König
2014-05-20  7:51               ` Uwe Kleine-König
2014-05-20  7:33           ` Uwe Kleine-König
2014-05-20  7:33             ` Uwe Kleine-König
2014-05-20 16:01             ` Sören Brinkmann
2014-05-20 16:01               ` Sören Brinkmann
2014-05-20 16:01               ` Sören Brinkmann
2014-05-20 17:48               ` Stephen Boyd
2014-05-20 17:48                 ` Stephen Boyd
2014-05-20 17:48                 ` Stephen Boyd
2014-05-20 21:48                 ` Sören Brinkmann
2014-05-20 21:48                   ` Sören Brinkmann
2014-05-21  7:34                   ` Uwe Kleine-König
2014-05-21  7:34                     ` Uwe Kleine-König
2014-05-21 15:58                     ` Sören Brinkmann
2014-05-21 15:58                       ` Sören Brinkmann
2014-05-21 15:58                       ` Sören Brinkmann
2014-05-21 18:23                       ` Uwe Kleine-König
2014-05-21 18:23                         ` Uwe Kleine-König
2014-05-21 20:19                         ` Sören Brinkmann
2014-05-21 20:19                           ` Sören Brinkmann
2014-05-21 20:19                           ` Sören Brinkmann
2014-05-21 20:33                         ` Mike Turquette [this message]
2014-05-21 20:33                           ` Mike Turquette
2014-05-22 18:03                           ` Sören Brinkmann
2014-05-22 18:03                             ` Sören Brinkmann
2014-05-22 18:20                             ` Uwe Kleine-König
2014-05-22 18:20                               ` Uwe Kleine-König
2014-05-22 20:32                               ` Sören Brinkmann
2014-05-22 20:32                                 ` Sören Brinkmann
2014-05-22 20:32                                 ` Sören Brinkmann
2014-05-22 21:03                                 ` Mike Turquette
2014-05-22 21:03                                   ` Mike Turquette
2014-05-22 23:44                                   ` Sören Brinkmann
2014-05-22 23:44                                     ` Sören Brinkmann
2014-05-23  1:37                                     ` Mike Turquette
2014-05-23  1:37                                       ` Mike Turquette
2014-05-23 16:14                                       ` Sören Brinkmann
2014-05-23 16:14                                         ` Sören Brinkmann
2014-05-23 16:14                                         ` Sören Brinkmann
2014-05-26  6:29                                         ` Viresh Kumar
2014-05-26  6:29                                           ` Viresh Kumar
2014-05-26  6:29                                           ` Viresh Kumar
2014-05-26 11:22                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-26 11:22                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-26 11:22                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-26 11:07                                             ` Viresh Kumar
2014-05-26 11:07                                               ` Viresh Kumar
2014-05-26 11:47                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-26 11:47                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-26 21:52                                                 ` Sören Brinkmann
2014-05-26 21:52                                                   ` Sören Brinkmann
2014-05-26 21:52                                                   ` Sören Brinkmann
2014-05-28  2:05                                             ` Mike Turquette
2014-05-28  2:05                                               ` Mike Turquette
2014-05-28  2:05                                               ` Mike Turquette
2014-05-28 16:17                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-28 16:17                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-28 16:17                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-06-07  0:44                               ` Sören Brinkmann
2014-06-07  0:44                                 ` Sören Brinkmann
2014-06-07  0:44                                 ` Sören Brinkmann
2014-05-14 22:30 ` [RFC PATCH 3/5] cpufreq: cpu0: Use clk_round_rate_nearest() Soren Brinkmann
2014-05-14 22:30   ` Soren Brinkmann
2014-05-14 22:30 ` [RFC PATCH 4/5] ARM: zynq: dt: Use properly rounded frequencies in OPPs Soren Brinkmann
2014-05-14 22:30   ` Soren Brinkmann
2014-05-14 22:30 ` [RFC PATCH 5/5] net: macb: Use clk_round_rate_nearest() API Soren Brinkmann
2014-05-14 22:30   ` Soren Brinkmann
2014-05-15  6:12 ` [RFC PATCH 0/5] Frequency resolution in CCF vs. cpufreq Viresh Kumar
2014-05-15  6:12   ` Viresh Kumar
2014-05-15 14:05   ` Sören Brinkmann
2014-05-15 14:05     ` Sören Brinkmann
2014-05-15 14:05     ` Sören Brinkmann
2014-05-15  7:47 ` Uwe Kleine-König
2014-05-15  7:47   ` Uwe Kleine-König
2014-05-15 12:14   ` Nishanth Menon
2014-05-15 12:14     ` Nishanth Menon
2014-05-15 12:14     ` Nishanth Menon
2014-05-15 14:00   ` Sören Brinkmann
2014-05-15 14:00     ` Sören Brinkmann
2014-05-15 14:00     ` Sören Brinkmann

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