From: Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>
To: Ilia Mirkin <imirkin@alum.mit.edu>
Cc: kernel list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org"
<dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
Ben Skeggs <bskeggs@redhat.com>, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
Subject: Re: unparseable, undocumented /sys/class/drm/.../pstate
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 12:07:27 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140623160727.GA19557@kroah.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKb7UvjhOystpeRy1nQx49Nspve4wHQPb+e7gJQ-RT-HseK4Cw@mail.gmail.com>
On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 10:12:14PM -0400, Ilia Mirkin wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Greg KH <greg@kroah.com> wrote:
> > On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 02:22:59PM -0400, Ilia Mirkin wrote:
> >> On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 2:02 PM, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz> wrote:
> >> > Hi!
> >> >
> >> > AFAICT, pstate file will contain something like
> >> >
> >> > 07: core 100 MHz memory 123 MHz *
> >> > 08: core 100-200 MHz memory 123 MHz
> >> >
> >> > ...which does not look exactly like one-value-per-file, and I'm pretty
> >> > sure userspace will get it wrong if it tries to parse it. Plus, I
> >> > don't see required documentation in Documentation/ABI.
> >> >
> >> > Should we disable it for now, so that userspace does not start
> >> > depending on it and we'll not have to maintain it forever?
> >> >
> >> > I guess better interface would be something like
> >> >
> >> > pstate/07/core_clock_min
> >> > core_clock_max
> >> > memory_clock_min
> >> > memory_clock_max
> >> >
> >> > and then pstate/active containing just the number of active state?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> > Pavel
> >> >
> >> > PS: I have no nvidia, got the news at
> >> >
> >> > http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=nouveau_try_linux316&num=2
> >>
> >> FTR, this file has been in place since 3.13, and there was a different
> >> file before it (performance_levels), with a comparable format since
> >> much earlier (definitely 3.8, probably earlier). I think it's meant a
> >> lot more for people looking at it and echo'ing stuff to it to modify
> >> the levels (where supported), than for programs parsing it. Perhaps
> >> sysfs is the wrong place for this -- what is the right place? debugfs?
> >
> > Yes, please move it to debugfs.
>
> Could we just say that the format of this file is one-per-line of
>
> level: information-for-the-user
>
> And you can echo a level into it to switch to that level? That seems
> like a reasonable ABI to have... would be happy to throw it into a
> file somewhere... not sure where though.
sysfs files are "one value per file", that's it. Do anything other than
that, and it can not be in sysfs, sorry.
greg k-h
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From: Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>
To: Ilia Mirkin <imirkin@alum.mit.edu>
Cc: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
kernel list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Ben Skeggs <bskeggs@redhat.com>,
Alexandre Courbot <acourbot@nvidia.com>,
David Airlie <airlied@linux.ie>,
"dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org"
<dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>
Subject: Re: unparseable, undocumented /sys/class/drm/.../pstate
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 12:07:27 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140623160727.GA19557@kroah.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKb7UvjhOystpeRy1nQx49Nspve4wHQPb+e7gJQ-RT-HseK4Cw@mail.gmail.com>
On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 10:12:14PM -0400, Ilia Mirkin wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Greg KH <greg@kroah.com> wrote:
> > On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 02:22:59PM -0400, Ilia Mirkin wrote:
> >> On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 2:02 PM, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz> wrote:
> >> > Hi!
> >> >
> >> > AFAICT, pstate file will contain something like
> >> >
> >> > 07: core 100 MHz memory 123 MHz *
> >> > 08: core 100-200 MHz memory 123 MHz
> >> >
> >> > ...which does not look exactly like one-value-per-file, and I'm pretty
> >> > sure userspace will get it wrong if it tries to parse it. Plus, I
> >> > don't see required documentation in Documentation/ABI.
> >> >
> >> > Should we disable it for now, so that userspace does not start
> >> > depending on it and we'll not have to maintain it forever?
> >> >
> >> > I guess better interface would be something like
> >> >
> >> > pstate/07/core_clock_min
> >> > core_clock_max
> >> > memory_clock_min
> >> > memory_clock_max
> >> >
> >> > and then pstate/active containing just the number of active state?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> > Pavel
> >> >
> >> > PS: I have no nvidia, got the news at
> >> >
> >> > http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=nouveau_try_linux316&num=2
> >>
> >> FTR, this file has been in place since 3.13, and there was a different
> >> file before it (performance_levels), with a comparable format since
> >> much earlier (definitely 3.8, probably earlier). I think it's meant a
> >> lot more for people looking at it and echo'ing stuff to it to modify
> >> the levels (where supported), than for programs parsing it. Perhaps
> >> sysfs is the wrong place for this -- what is the right place? debugfs?
> >
> > Yes, please move it to debugfs.
>
> Could we just say that the format of this file is one-per-line of
>
> level: information-for-the-user
>
> And you can echo a level into it to switch to that level? That seems
> like a reasonable ABI to have... would be happy to throw it into a
> file somewhere... not sure where though.
sysfs files are "one value per file", that's it. Do anything other than
that, and it can not be in sysfs, sorry.
greg k-h
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-06-23 16:07 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-06-21 18:02 unparseable, undocumented /sys/class/drm/.../pstate Pavel Machek
2014-06-21 18:22 ` Ilia Mirkin
2014-06-21 18:22 ` Ilia Mirkin
2014-06-21 18:50 ` Pavel Machek
2014-06-21 18:50 ` Pavel Machek
2014-06-21 19:34 ` Ilia Mirkin
2014-06-21 19:34 ` Ilia Mirkin
2014-06-21 19:45 ` Greg KH
2014-06-21 19:45 ` Greg KH
2014-06-23 2:12 ` Ilia Mirkin
2014-06-23 2:12 ` Ilia Mirkin
2014-06-23 13:02 ` Pavel Machek
2014-06-23 13:02 ` Pavel Machek
2014-06-23 13:29 ` Ilia Mirkin
2014-06-23 13:29 ` Ilia Mirkin
2014-06-23 20:15 ` Pavel Machek
2014-06-23 20:15 ` Pavel Machek
2014-06-23 20:18 ` Ilia Mirkin
2014-06-23 20:18 ` Ilia Mirkin
2014-06-23 20:26 ` Greg KH
2014-06-23 20:26 ` Greg KH
2014-06-23 20:32 ` Ilia Mirkin
2014-06-23 20:32 ` Ilia Mirkin
2014-06-24 0:06 ` Ben Skeggs
2014-06-24 0:06 ` Ben Skeggs
2014-06-24 16:00 ` Greg KH
2014-06-24 16:00 ` Greg KH
2014-06-23 16:07 ` Greg KH [this message]
2014-06-23 16:07 ` Greg KH
2014-06-23 16:18 ` Ilia Mirkin
2014-06-23 16:18 ` Ilia Mirkin
2014-06-23 16:36 ` Greg KH
2014-06-23 16:36 ` Greg KH
2014-06-23 16:40 ` Ilia Mirkin
2014-06-23 16:40 ` Ilia Mirkin
2014-06-23 17:46 ` Martin Peres
2014-06-23 17:46 ` Martin Peres
2014-06-23 17:56 ` Ilia Mirkin
2014-06-23 17:56 ` Ilia Mirkin
2014-06-23 18:00 ` Martin Peres
2014-06-23 18:00 ` Martin Peres
2014-06-23 18:05 ` Ilia Mirkin
2014-06-23 18:05 ` Ilia Mirkin
2014-06-23 18:09 ` Greg KH
2014-06-23 18:09 ` Greg KH
2014-06-23 18:08 ` Greg KH
2014-06-23 18:08 ` Greg KH
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