From: peterz@infradead.org (Peter Zijlstra)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH v3 09/12] Revert "sched: Put rq's sched_avg under CONFIG_FAIR_GROUP_SCHED"
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 17:13:04 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140711151304.GD3935@laptop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKfTPtDzxyrzVmX016VB8j_y19wcCBVB1Rj46FYngMA+Ajft6g@mail.gmail.com>
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 09:51:06AM +0200, Vincent Guittot wrote:
> On 10 July 2014 15:16, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
> > On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 06:05:40PM +0200, Vincent Guittot wrote:
> >> This reverts commit f5f9739d7a0ccbdcf913a0b3604b134129d14f7e.
> >>
> >> We are going to use runnable_avg_sum and runnable_avg_period in order to get
> >> the utilization of the CPU. This statistic includes all tasks that run the CPU
> >> and not only CFS tasks.
> >
> > But this rq->avg is not the one that is migration aware, right? So why
> > use this?
>
> Yes, it's not the one that is migration aware
>
> >
> > We already compensate cpu_capacity for !fair tasks, so I don't see why
> > we can't use the migration aware one (and kill this one as Yuyang keeps
> > proposing) and compensate with the capacity factor.
>
> The 1st point is that cpu_capacity is compensated by both !fair_tasks
> and frequency scaling and we should not take into account frequency
> scaling for detecting overload
dvfs could help? Also we should not use arch_scale_freq_capacity() for
things like cpufreq-ondemand etc. Because for those the compute capacity
is still the max. We should only use it when we hard limit things.
> What we have now is the the weighted load avg that is the sum of the
> weight load of entities on the run queue. This is not usable to detect
> overload because of the weight. An unweighted version of this figure
> would be more usefull but it's not as accurate as the one I use IMHO.
> The example that has been discussed during the review of the last
> version has shown some limitations
>
> With the following schedule pattern from Morten's example
>
> | 5 ms | 5 ms | 5 ms | 5 ms | 5 ms | 5 ms | 5 ms | 5 ms | 5 ms |
> A: run rq run ----------- sleeping ------------- run
> B: rq run rq run ---- sleeping ------------- rq
>
> The scheduler will see the following values:
> Task A unweighted load value is 47%
> Task B unweight load is 60%
> The maximum Sum of unweighted load is 104%
> rq->avg load is 60%
>
> And the real CPU load is 50%
>
> So we will have opposite decision depending of the used values: the
> rq->avg or the Sum of unweighted load
>
> The sum of unweighted load has the main advantage of showing
> immediately what will be the relative impact of adding/removing a
> task. In the example, we can see that removing task A or B will remove
> around half the CPU load but it's not so good for giving the current
> utilization of the CPU
In that same discussion ISTR a suggestion about adding avg_running time,
as opposed to the current avg_runnable. The sum of avg_running should be
much more accurate, and still react correctly to migrations.
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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>,
LAK <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
Preeti U Murthy <preeti@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Morten Rasmussen <Morten.Rasmussen@arm.com>,
Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>,
Nicolas Pitre <nicolas.pitre@linaro.org>,
"linaro-kernel@lists.linaro.org" <linaro-kernel@lists.linaro.org>,
Daniel Lezcano <daniel.lezcano@linaro.org>,
Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 09/12] Revert "sched: Put rq's sched_avg under CONFIG_FAIR_GROUP_SCHED"
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 17:13:04 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140711151304.GD3935@laptop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKfTPtDzxyrzVmX016VB8j_y19wcCBVB1Rj46FYngMA+Ajft6g@mail.gmail.com>
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 09:51:06AM +0200, Vincent Guittot wrote:
> On 10 July 2014 15:16, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
> > On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 06:05:40PM +0200, Vincent Guittot wrote:
> >> This reverts commit f5f9739d7a0ccbdcf913a0b3604b134129d14f7e.
> >>
> >> We are going to use runnable_avg_sum and runnable_avg_period in order to get
> >> the utilization of the CPU. This statistic includes all tasks that run the CPU
> >> and not only CFS tasks.
> >
> > But this rq->avg is not the one that is migration aware, right? So why
> > use this?
>
> Yes, it's not the one that is migration aware
>
> >
> > We already compensate cpu_capacity for !fair tasks, so I don't see why
> > we can't use the migration aware one (and kill this one as Yuyang keeps
> > proposing) and compensate with the capacity factor.
>
> The 1st point is that cpu_capacity is compensated by both !fair_tasks
> and frequency scaling and we should not take into account frequency
> scaling for detecting overload
dvfs could help? Also we should not use arch_scale_freq_capacity() for
things like cpufreq-ondemand etc. Because for those the compute capacity
is still the max. We should only use it when we hard limit things.
> What we have now is the the weighted load avg that is the sum of the
> weight load of entities on the run queue. This is not usable to detect
> overload because of the weight. An unweighted version of this figure
> would be more usefull but it's not as accurate as the one I use IMHO.
> The example that has been discussed during the review of the last
> version has shown some limitations
>
> With the following schedule pattern from Morten's example
>
> | 5 ms | 5 ms | 5 ms | 5 ms | 5 ms | 5 ms | 5 ms | 5 ms | 5 ms |
> A: run rq run ----------- sleeping ------------- run
> B: rq run rq run ---- sleeping ------------- rq
>
> The scheduler will see the following values:
> Task A unweighted load value is 47%
> Task B unweight load is 60%
> The maximum Sum of unweighted load is 104%
> rq->avg load is 60%
>
> And the real CPU load is 50%
>
> So we will have opposite decision depending of the used values: the
> rq->avg or the Sum of unweighted load
>
> The sum of unweighted load has the main advantage of showing
> immediately what will be the relative impact of adding/removing a
> task. In the example, we can see that removing task A or B will remove
> around half the CPU load but it's not so good for giving the current
> utilization of the CPU
In that same discussion ISTR a suggestion about adding avg_running time,
as opposed to the current avg_runnable. The sum of avg_running should be
much more accurate, and still react correctly to migrations.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-07-11 15:13 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 132+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-06-30 16:05 [PATCH v3 00/12] sched: consolidation of cpu_power Vincent Guittot
2014-06-30 16:05 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-30 16:05 ` [PATCH v3 01/12] sched: fix imbalance flag reset Vincent Guittot
2014-06-30 16:05 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-07-08 3:13 ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-07-08 3:13 ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-07-08 10:12 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-07-08 10:12 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-07-09 3:54 ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-07-09 3:54 ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-07-09 8:27 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-07-09 8:27 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-07-09 10:43 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-07-09 10:43 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-07-09 11:41 ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-07-09 11:41 ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-07-09 14:44 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-07-09 14:44 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-07-10 9:14 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-07-10 9:14 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-07-10 9:30 ` [PATCH v4 ] " Vincent Guittot
2014-07-10 9:30 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-07-10 10:57 ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-07-10 10:57 ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-07-10 11:04 ` [PATCH v3 01/12] " Preeti U Murthy
2014-07-10 11:04 ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-07-09 3:05 ` Rik van Riel
2014-07-09 3:05 ` Rik van Riel
2014-07-09 3:36 ` Rik van Riel
2014-07-09 3:36 ` Rik van Riel
2014-07-09 10:14 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-07-09 10:14 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-07-09 10:30 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-07-09 10:30 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-30 16:05 ` [PATCH v3 02/12] sched: remove a wake_affine condition Vincent Guittot
2014-06-30 16:05 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-07-09 3:06 ` Rik van Riel
2014-07-09 3:06 ` Rik van Riel
2014-06-30 16:05 ` [PATCH v3 03/12] sched: fix avg_load computation Vincent Guittot
2014-06-30 16:05 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-07-09 3:10 ` Rik van Riel
2014-07-09 3:10 ` Rik van Riel
2014-06-30 16:05 ` [PATCH v3 04/12] sched: Allow all archs to set the power_orig Vincent Guittot
2014-06-30 16:05 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-07-09 3:11 ` Rik van Riel
2014-07-09 3:11 ` Rik van Riel
2014-07-09 10:57 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-07-09 10:57 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-07-10 13:42 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-07-10 13:42 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-30 16:05 ` [PATCH v3 05/12] ARM: topology: use new cpu_power interface Vincent Guittot
2014-06-30 16:05 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-07-09 3:11 ` Rik van Riel
2014-07-09 3:11 ` Rik van Riel
2014-07-09 7:49 ` Amit Kucheria
2014-07-09 7:49 ` Amit Kucheria
2014-07-09 10:09 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-07-09 10:09 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-30 16:05 ` [PATCH v3 06/12] sched: add per rq cpu_power_orig Vincent Guittot
2014-06-30 16:05 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-07-09 3:11 ` Rik van Riel
2014-07-09 3:11 ` Rik van Riel
2014-07-09 7:50 ` Amit Kucheria
2014-07-09 7:50 ` Amit Kucheria
2014-06-30 16:05 ` [PATCH v3 07/12] sched: test the cpu's capacity in wake affine Vincent Guittot
2014-06-30 16:05 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-07-09 3:12 ` Rik van Riel
2014-07-09 3:12 ` Rik van Riel
2014-07-10 11:06 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-07-10 11:06 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-07-10 13:58 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-07-10 13:58 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-30 16:05 ` [PATCH v3 08/12] sched: move cfs task on a CPU with higher capacity Vincent Guittot
2014-06-30 16:05 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-07-10 11:18 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-07-10 11:18 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-07-10 14:03 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-07-10 14:03 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-07-11 14:51 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-07-11 14:51 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-07-11 15:17 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-07-11 15:17 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-07-14 13:51 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-07-14 13:51 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-07-15 9:21 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-07-15 9:21 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-07-10 11:24 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-07-10 11:24 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-07-10 13:59 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-07-10 13:59 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-07-10 11:31 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-07-10 11:31 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-30 16:05 ` [PATCH v3 09/12] Revert "sched: Put rq's sched_avg under CONFIG_FAIR_GROUP_SCHED" Vincent Guittot
2014-06-30 16:05 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-07-10 13:16 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-07-10 13:16 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-07-11 7:51 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-07-11 7:51 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-07-11 15:13 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2014-07-11 15:13 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-07-11 17:39 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-07-11 17:39 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-07-11 20:12 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-07-11 20:12 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-07-14 12:55 ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-07-14 12:55 ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-07-14 13:20 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-07-14 13:20 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-07-14 14:04 ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-07-14 14:04 ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-07-14 16:22 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-07-14 16:22 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-07-15 9:20 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-07-15 9:20 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-07-14 17:54 ` Dietmar Eggemann
2014-07-14 17:54 ` Dietmar Eggemann
2014-07-18 1:27 ` Yuyang Du
2014-07-18 1:27 ` Yuyang Du
2014-07-11 16:13 ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-07-11 16:13 ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-07-15 9:27 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-07-15 9:27 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-07-15 9:32 ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-07-15 9:32 ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-07-15 9:53 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-07-15 9:53 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-30 16:05 ` [PATCH v3 10/12] sched: get CPU's utilization statistic Vincent Guittot
2014-06-30 16:05 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-30 16:05 ` [PATCH v3 11/12] sched: replace capacity_factor by utilization Vincent Guittot
2014-06-30 16:05 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-30 16:05 ` [PATCH v3 12/12] sched: add SD_PREFER_SIBLING for SMT level Vincent Guittot
2014-06-30 16:05 ` Vincent Guittot
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