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From: Fengguang Wu <fengguang.wu@intel.com>
To: lkp@lists.01.org
Subject: Re: [sched/numa] a43455a1d57: +94.1% proc-vmstat.numa_hint_faults_local
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 16:14:23 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140801081423.GA21249@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140801072911.GE19379@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net>

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On Fri, Aug 01, 2014 at 09:29:11AM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 01, 2014 at 10:03:30AM +0800, Aaron Lu wrote:
> > > > > ebe06187bf2aec1  a43455a1d572daf7b730fe12e  
> > > > > ---------------  -------------------------  
> > > > >      94500 ~ 3%    +115.6%     203711 ~ 6%  ivb42/hackbench/50%-threads-pipe
> > > > >      67745 ~ 4%     +64.1%     111174 ~ 5%  lkp-snb01/hackbench/50%-threads-socket
> > > > >     162245 ~ 3%     +94.1%     314885 ~ 6%  TOTAL proc-vmstat.numa_hint_faults_local
> 
> > It means, for commit ebe06187bf2aec1, the number for
> > num_hint_local_faults is 94500 for ivb42 machine and 67745 for lkp-snb01
> > machine. The 3%, 4% following that number means the deviation of the
> > different runs to their average(we usually run it multiple times to
> > phase out possible sharp values). We should probably remove that
> > percentage, as they cause confusion if no detailed explanation and may
> > not mean much to the commit author and others(if the deviation is big
> > enough, we should simply drop that result).
> 
> Nah, variance is good, but the typical symbol would be +- or the fancy
> ±.
> 
> ~ when used as a unary op means 'approx' or 'about' or 'same order'
> ~ when used as a binary op means equivalence, a weaker equal, often in
> the vein of the unary op meaning.
> 
> Also see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilde#Mathematics
> 
> So while I think having a measure of variance is good, I think you
> picked entirely the wrong symbol.

Good point! We'll first try ± for the stddev percent and fall back to
+- if it turn out to not work well in some cases.

Thanks,
Fengguang

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From: Fengguang Wu <fengguang.wu@intel.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Aaron Lu <aaron.lu@intel.com>, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	lkp@01.org, jhladky@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [LKP] [sched/numa] a43455a1d57: +94.1% proc-vmstat.numa_hint_faults_local
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 16:14:23 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140801081423.GA21249@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140801072911.GE19379@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Fri, Aug 01, 2014 at 09:29:11AM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 01, 2014 at 10:03:30AM +0800, Aaron Lu wrote:
> > > > > ebe06187bf2aec1  a43455a1d572daf7b730fe12e  
> > > > > ---------------  -------------------------  
> > > > >      94500 ~ 3%    +115.6%     203711 ~ 6%  ivb42/hackbench/50%-threads-pipe
> > > > >      67745 ~ 4%     +64.1%     111174 ~ 5%  lkp-snb01/hackbench/50%-threads-socket
> > > > >     162245 ~ 3%     +94.1%     314885 ~ 6%  TOTAL proc-vmstat.numa_hint_faults_local
> 
> > It means, for commit ebe06187bf2aec1, the number for
> > num_hint_local_faults is 94500 for ivb42 machine and 67745 for lkp-snb01
> > machine. The 3%, 4% following that number means the deviation of the
> > different runs to their average(we usually run it multiple times to
> > phase out possible sharp values). We should probably remove that
> > percentage, as they cause confusion if no detailed explanation and may
> > not mean much to the commit author and others(if the deviation is big
> > enough, we should simply drop that result).
> 
> Nah, variance is good, but the typical symbol would be +- or the fancy
> ±.
> 
> ~ when used as a unary op means 'approx' or 'about' or 'same order'
> ~ when used as a binary op means equivalence, a weaker equal, often in
> the vein of the unary op meaning.
> 
> Also see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilde#Mathematics
> 
> So while I think having a measure of variance is good, I think you
> picked entirely the wrong symbol.

Good point! We'll first try ± for the stddev percent and fall back to
+- if it turn out to not work well in some cases.

Thanks,
Fengguang

  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-08-01  8:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <53d70ee6.JsUEmW5dWsv8dev+%fengguang.wu@intel.com>
2014-07-29  5:24 ` [sched/numa] a43455a1d57: +94.1% proc-vmstat.numa_hint_faults_local Aaron Lu
2014-07-29  5:24   ` [LKP] " Aaron Lu
2014-07-29  6:39   ` Rik van Riel
2014-07-29  6:39     ` [LKP] " Rik van Riel
2014-07-29  8:17     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-07-29  8:17       ` [LKP] " Peter Zijlstra
2014-07-29 20:04       ` Rik van Riel
2014-07-29 20:04         ` [LKP] " Rik van Riel
2014-07-30  2:14         ` Aaron Lu
2014-07-30  2:14           ` [LKP] " Aaron Lu
2014-07-30 14:25           ` Rik van Riel
2014-07-30 14:25             ` [LKP] " Rik van Riel
2014-07-31  5:04             ` Aaron Lu
2014-07-31  5:04               ` [LKP] " Aaron Lu
2014-07-31  6:22               ` Rik van Riel
2014-07-31  6:22                 ` [LKP] " Rik van Riel
2014-07-31  6:53                 ` Aaron Lu
2014-07-31  6:53                   ` [LKP] " Aaron Lu
2014-07-31  6:42               ` Rik van Riel
2014-07-31  6:42                 ` [LKP] " Rik van Riel
2014-08-05 21:43               ` Rik van Riel
2014-08-05 21:43                 ` [LKP] " Rik van Riel
2014-07-31  8:33           ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-07-31  8:33             ` [LKP] " Peter Zijlstra
2014-07-31  8:56             ` Aaron Lu
2014-07-31  8:56               ` [LKP] " Aaron Lu
2014-07-31 10:42     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-07-31 10:42       ` [LKP] " Peter Zijlstra
2014-07-31 15:57       ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-07-31 15:57         ` [LKP] " Peter Zijlstra
2014-07-31 16:16         ` Jirka Hladky
2014-07-31 16:16           ` [LKP] " Jirka Hladky
2014-07-31 16:27           ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-07-31 16:27             ` [LKP] " Peter Zijlstra
2014-07-31 16:39             ` Jirka Hladky
2014-07-31 16:39               ` [LKP] " Jirka Hladky
2014-07-31 17:37               ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-07-31 17:37                 ` [LKP] " Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-01 15:02                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-01 15:02                   ` [LKP] " Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-01 20:46           ` Davidlohr Bueso
2014-08-01 20:46             ` [LKP] " Davidlohr Bueso
2014-08-01 20:48             ` Davidlohr Bueso
2014-08-01 20:48               ` [LKP] " Davidlohr Bueso
2014-08-01 21:30             ` Jirka Hladky
2014-08-01 21:30               ` [LKP] " Jirka Hladky
2014-08-02  4:17               ` Rik van Riel
2014-08-02  4:17                 ` [LKP] " Rik van Riel
2014-08-02  5:28                 ` Jirka Hladky
2014-08-02  5:28                   ` [LKP] " Jirka Hladky
2014-08-02  4:26               ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-02  4:26                 ` [LKP] " Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-01  0:18       ` Davidlohr Bueso
2014-08-01  0:18         ` [LKP] " Davidlohr Bueso
2014-08-01  2:03       ` Aaron Lu
2014-08-01  2:03         ` [LKP] " Aaron Lu
2014-08-01  4:03         ` Davidlohr Bueso
2014-08-01  4:03           ` [LKP] " Davidlohr Bueso
2014-08-01  7:29           ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-01  7:29             ` [LKP] " Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-01  7:29         ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-01  7:29           ` [LKP] " Peter Zijlstra
2014-07-31 23:58           ` Yuyang Du
2014-07-31 23:58             ` [LKP] " Yuyang Du
2014-08-01  8:14           ` Fengguang Wu [this message]
2014-08-01  8:14             ` Fengguang Wu

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