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From: Dan Carpenter <dan.carpenter@oracle.com>
To: Jiri Kosina <jkosina@suse.cz>
Cc: Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
	Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Joonsoo Kim <iamjoonsoo.kim@lge.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm/sl[aou]b: make kfree() aware of error pointers
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2014 18:21:04 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140910152104.GS6549@mwanda> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LNX.2.00.1409101625160.5523@pobox.suse.cz>

On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 04:26:46PM +0200, Jiri Kosina wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Sep 2014, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
> 
> > I'd much rather depending on better testing and static checkers to fix 
> > them, since kfree *is* a hot path.
> 
> BTW if we stretch this argument a little bit more, we should also kill the 
> ZERO_OR_NULL_PTR() check from kfree() and make it callers responsibility 
> to perform the checking only if applicable ... we are currently doing a 
> lot of pointless checking in cases where caller would be able to guarantee 
> that the pointer is going to be non-NULL.

What you're saying is that we should remove the ZERO_SIZE_PTR
completely.  ZERO_SIZE_PTR is a very useful idiom and also it's too late
to remove it because everything depends on it.

Returning ZERO_SIZE_PTR is not an error.  Callers shouldn't test for it.
It works like this:
1) User space says "copy zero items to somewhere."
2) The kernel says "here is a zero size pointer"
3) We do some stuff like:
	copy_from_user(zero_pointer, src, 0)
   or:
	for (i = 0; i < 0; i++)
4) The caller frees the ZERO_SIZE_PTR.
5) We return success.

If we get rid of it then we're start returning -ENOMEM all over the
place and that breaks userspace.  Or we introduce zero as a special case
for every kmalloc.

You would think there would be a lot of bugs with ZERO_SIZE_POINTERs
but they seem fairly rare to me.  There are some where we allocate a
zero length string and then put a NUL terminator at the end.

regards,
dan carpenter

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From: Dan Carpenter <dan.carpenter@oracle.com>
To: Jiri Kosina <jkosina@suse.cz>
Cc: "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
	Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Joonsoo Kim <iamjoonsoo.kim@lge.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm/sl[aou]b: make kfree() aware of error pointers
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2014 18:21:04 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140910152104.GS6549@mwanda> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LNX.2.00.1409101625160.5523@pobox.suse.cz>

On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 04:26:46PM +0200, Jiri Kosina wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Sep 2014, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
> 
> > I'd much rather depending on better testing and static checkers to fix 
> > them, since kfree *is* a hot path.
> 
> BTW if we stretch this argument a little bit more, we should also kill the 
> ZERO_OR_NULL_PTR() check from kfree() and make it callers responsibility 
> to perform the checking only if applicable ... we are currently doing a 
> lot of pointless checking in cases where caller would be able to guarantee 
> that the pointer is going to be non-NULL.

What you're saying is that we should remove the ZERO_SIZE_PTR
completely.  ZERO_SIZE_PTR is a very useful idiom and also it's too late
to remove it because everything depends on it.

Returning ZERO_SIZE_PTR is not an error.  Callers shouldn't test for it.
It works like this:
1) User space says "copy zero items to somewhere."
2) The kernel says "here is a zero size pointer"
3) We do some stuff like:
	copy_from_user(zero_pointer, src, 0)
   or:
	for (i = 0; i < 0; i++)
4) The caller frees the ZERO_SIZE_PTR.
5) We return success.

If we get rid of it then we're start returning -ENOMEM all over the
place and that breaks userspace.  Or we introduce zero as a special case
for every kmalloc.

You would think there would be a lot of bugs with ZERO_SIZE_POINTERs
but they seem fairly rare to me.  There are some where we allocate a
zero length string and then put a NUL terminator at the end.

regards,
dan carpenter

  reply	other threads:[~2014-09-10 15:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-09-09 21:25 [PATCH] mm/sl[aou]b: make kfree() aware of error pointers Jiri Kosina
2014-09-09 21:25 ` Jiri Kosina
2014-09-09 23:21 ` Andrew Morton
2014-09-09 23:21   ` Andrew Morton
2014-09-10  5:05   ` Jiri Kosina
2014-09-10  5:05     ` Jiri Kosina
2014-09-10  5:11     ` Andrew Morton
2014-09-10  5:11       ` Andrew Morton
2014-09-10  6:36       ` Dan Carpenter
2014-09-10  6:36         ` Dan Carpenter
2014-09-10 13:56         ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-09-10 13:56           ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-09-10 14:27           ` Dave Jones
2014-09-10 14:27             ` Dave Jones
2014-09-10 14:07     ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-09-10 14:07       ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-09-10 14:24       ` Jiri Kosina
2014-09-10 14:24         ` Jiri Kosina
2014-09-10 14:33         ` Andrey Ryabinin
2014-09-10 14:33           ` Andrey Ryabinin
2014-09-10 14:42           ` Jiri Kosina
2014-09-10 14:42             ` Jiri Kosina
2014-09-10 15:43         ` Christoph Lameter
2014-09-10 15:43           ` Christoph Lameter
2014-09-10 14:26       ` Jiri Kosina
2014-09-10 14:26         ` Jiri Kosina
2014-09-10 15:21         ` Dan Carpenter [this message]
2014-09-10 15:21           ` Dan Carpenter
2014-09-10 15:28           ` Jiri Kosina
2014-09-10 15:28             ` Jiri Kosina
2014-09-10 15:53             ` Dan Carpenter
2014-09-10 15:53               ` Dan Carpenter
2014-09-10 19:40               ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-09-10 19:40                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-09-11 14:14             ` Rasmus Villemoes
2014-09-11 14:14               ` Rasmus Villemoes
2014-09-10 14:22     ` Christoph Lameter
2014-09-10 14:22       ` Christoph Lameter
2014-09-10  5:15   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2014-09-10  6:51     ` Dan Carpenter
2014-09-10  6:51       ` Dan Carpenter
2014-09-10 13:59   ` Christoph Lameter
2014-09-10 13:59     ` Christoph Lameter

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