From: Mike Turquette <mturquette@linaro.org>
To: Tero Kristo <t-kristo@ti.com>, Stephen Boyd <sboyd@codeaurora.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-omap@vger.kernel.org,
tony@atomide.com, nm@ti.com,
linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] clk: prevent erronous parsing of children during rate change
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 12:03:01 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140930190301.19023.5135@quantum> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <542A6E71.10703@ti.com>
Quoting Tero Kristo (2014-09-30 01:48:49)
> On 09/30/2014 10:07 AM, Mike Turquette wrote:
> > Quoting Tero Kristo (2014-09-29 01:09:24)
> >> On 09/27/2014 02:24 AM, Mike Turquette wrote:
> >>> Quoting Tero Kristo (2014-09-26 00:18:55)
> >>>> On 09/26/2014 04:35 AM, Stephen Boyd wrote:
> >>>>> On 09/23/14 06:38, Tero Kristo wrote:
> >>>>>> On 09/22/2014 10:18 PM, Stephen Boyd wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 08/21, Tero Kristo wrote:
> >>>>>>>> /* Skip children who will be reparented to another clock */
> >>>>>>>> if (child->new_parent && child->new_parent != clk)
> >>>>>>>> continue;
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Are we not hitting the new_parent check here? I don't understand
> >>>>>>> how we can be changing parents here unless the check is being
> >>>>>>> avoided, in which case I wonder why determine_rate isn't being
> >>>>>>> used.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> It depends how the clock underneath handles the situation. The error I
> >>>>>> am seeing actually happens with a SoC specific compound clock (DPLL)
> >>>>>> which integrates set_rate + mux functionality into a single clock
> >>>>>> node. A call to the clk_set_rate changes the parent of this clock
> >>>>>> (from bypass clock to reference clock), in addition to changing the
> >>>>>> rate (tune the mul+div.) I looked at using the determine rate call
> >>>>>> with this type but it breaks everything up... the parent gets changed
> >>>>>> but not the clock rate, in addition to some other issues.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ok. Is this omap3_noncore_dpll_set_rate()?
> >>>>
> >>>> Yes.
> >>>>
> >>>> > Can we use determine_rate +
> >>>>> clk_set_parent_and_rate()? At least clk_set_parent_and_rate() would
> >>>>> allow us to do the mult+div and the parent in the same op call, although
> >>>>> I don't understand why setting the parent and then setting the rate is
> >>>>> not going to work.
> >>>>
> >>>> Well, setting parent first, then rate later causes problems with the
> >>>> DPLL ending up running with illegal (non-specified) rate, the M+N values
> >>>> are most likely wrong if you just switch from bypass clock to reference
> >>>> clock first without programming the M+N first.
> >>>
> >>> I took a quick look and it still seems to me that the OMAP DPLLs are
> >>> still not modeled properly as mux clocks. Is this correct?
> >>
> >> Yeah, they are not mux clocks, but rather a compound of mux + DPLL
> >> multiplier/divider logic. Changing the DPLL to be a separate mux + DPLL
> >> div/mult clock will still have overlapping usage of the DPLL_EN field,
> >
> > I'm not talking about splitting up the clock into two separate clocks.
> > If memory serves the DPLL clock implementation "cheats" and hides the
> > bypass_clk info from the clock framework. To be explicit, from the
> > perspective of Linux clock framework DPLL clocks only have one parent.
> >
> > In reality a typical DPLL should have at least 2 parents (and in some
> > cases starting with OMAP4, some of the DPLL output clocks should have a
> > second HSD parent). But the implementation does not reflect this.
>
> No, this is not the DPLLs are modelled. Each DPLL has currently two
> parents, ref-clk and bypass-clk, which are both modelled as separate
> clock nodes, and the DPLL switches parents based on bypass/lock mode.
> The bypass clock is also usually a mux clock, which further selects
> separate bypass parent, resulting in 3 or more parents for a certain DPLL.
I stand corrected. I thought it was still done the old way where the
machine-specific clock struct was holding the pointer to the ref_clk and
bypass_clk. I'm glad that is not the case any more.
>
> >
> >> as the DPLL must be in bypass mode during M+N change. Or, should the
> >> DPLL rate change only be allowed if the mux is in bypass setting?
> >> Several drivers still depend on direct dpll clk_set_rate working
> >> 'properly' (there are some other issues currently present also which
> >> have nothing to do with the mux behavior.)
> >>
> >>> This issue has been lingering for a long time and we can't use
> >>> determine_rate unless that clock has multiple parents. Simply hacking
> >>> knowledge of the parent bypass clock into the .set_rate callback is not
> >>> enough.
> >>
> >> If you believe this _must_ be changed, I can take a look at this for
> >> next merge window, but this will cause a DT data compatibility break if
> >> nothing else (personally I don't care about this as I always rebuild DT
> >> blob with kernel, but lots of other people seem to do.)
> >
> > Well I guess the question is how long will we put up with the many small
> > headaches caused by incorrectly modeling the clock?
>
> Well, its not kind of incorrectly modelled, it is just modelled in such
> way that clk_set_rate doesn't cope too well with it.
>
> > determine_rate and clk_set_parent_and_rate should be sufficient for the
> > OMAP DPLLs but only if they are correctly modeled in the framework.
>
> Do we have implementation for clk_set_parent_and_rate someplace? I
> looked at rc7 and didn't find this. I think this would fix the issues I
> am seeing combined with determine_rate, if clk_set_rate would internally
> handle changing both rate + parent.
I made it hard for you to find it because I typo'd. It's not a clk api
but a clk_op:
int (*set_rate_and_parent)(struct clk_hw *hw, unsigned long rate,
unsigned long parent_rate, u8 index);
Regards,
Mike
>
> -Tero
>
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike
> >
> >>
> >> -Tero
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Mike
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm interested in the other issues that you mentioned
> >>>>> too.
> >>>>
> >>>> Mostly these were side-effects from the illegal DPLL setup I guess, like
> >>>> boot hang, failed drivers etc. I didn't really investigate this that
> >>>> much as it is much more simpler just to use safe list iteration here.
> >>>>
> >>>> -Tero
> >>
>
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From: mturquette@linaro.org (Mike Turquette)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH] clk: prevent erronous parsing of children during rate change
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 12:03:01 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140930190301.19023.5135@quantum> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <542A6E71.10703@ti.com>
Quoting Tero Kristo (2014-09-30 01:48:49)
> On 09/30/2014 10:07 AM, Mike Turquette wrote:
> > Quoting Tero Kristo (2014-09-29 01:09:24)
> >> On 09/27/2014 02:24 AM, Mike Turquette wrote:
> >>> Quoting Tero Kristo (2014-09-26 00:18:55)
> >>>> On 09/26/2014 04:35 AM, Stephen Boyd wrote:
> >>>>> On 09/23/14 06:38, Tero Kristo wrote:
> >>>>>> On 09/22/2014 10:18 PM, Stephen Boyd wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 08/21, Tero Kristo wrote:
> >>>>>>>> /* Skip children who will be reparented to another clock */
> >>>>>>>> if (child->new_parent && child->new_parent != clk)
> >>>>>>>> continue;
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Are we not hitting the new_parent check here? I don't understand
> >>>>>>> how we can be changing parents here unless the check is being
> >>>>>>> avoided, in which case I wonder why determine_rate isn't being
> >>>>>>> used.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> It depends how the clock underneath handles the situation. The error I
> >>>>>> am seeing actually happens with a SoC specific compound clock (DPLL)
> >>>>>> which integrates set_rate + mux functionality into a single clock
> >>>>>> node. A call to the clk_set_rate changes the parent of this clock
> >>>>>> (from bypass clock to reference clock), in addition to changing the
> >>>>>> rate (tune the mul+div.) I looked at using the determine rate call
> >>>>>> with this type but it breaks everything up... the parent gets changed
> >>>>>> but not the clock rate, in addition to some other issues.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ok. Is this omap3_noncore_dpll_set_rate()?
> >>>>
> >>>> Yes.
> >>>>
> >>>> > Can we use determine_rate +
> >>>>> clk_set_parent_and_rate()? At least clk_set_parent_and_rate() would
> >>>>> allow us to do the mult+div and the parent in the same op call, although
> >>>>> I don't understand why setting the parent and then setting the rate is
> >>>>> not going to work.
> >>>>
> >>>> Well, setting parent first, then rate later causes problems with the
> >>>> DPLL ending up running with illegal (non-specified) rate, the M+N values
> >>>> are most likely wrong if you just switch from bypass clock to reference
> >>>> clock first without programming the M+N first.
> >>>
> >>> I took a quick look and it still seems to me that the OMAP DPLLs are
> >>> still not modeled properly as mux clocks. Is this correct?
> >>
> >> Yeah, they are not mux clocks, but rather a compound of mux + DPLL
> >> multiplier/divider logic. Changing the DPLL to be a separate mux + DPLL
> >> div/mult clock will still have overlapping usage of the DPLL_EN field,
> >
> > I'm not talking about splitting up the clock into two separate clocks.
> > If memory serves the DPLL clock implementation "cheats" and hides the
> > bypass_clk info from the clock framework. To be explicit, from the
> > perspective of Linux clock framework DPLL clocks only have one parent.
> >
> > In reality a typical DPLL should have at least 2 parents (and in some
> > cases starting with OMAP4, some of the DPLL output clocks should have a
> > second HSD parent). But the implementation does not reflect this.
>
> No, this is not the DPLLs are modelled. Each DPLL has currently two
> parents, ref-clk and bypass-clk, which are both modelled as separate
> clock nodes, and the DPLL switches parents based on bypass/lock mode.
> The bypass clock is also usually a mux clock, which further selects
> separate bypass parent, resulting in 3 or more parents for a certain DPLL.
I stand corrected. I thought it was still done the old way where the
machine-specific clock struct was holding the pointer to the ref_clk and
bypass_clk. I'm glad that is not the case any more.
>
> >
> >> as the DPLL must be in bypass mode during M+N change. Or, should the
> >> DPLL rate change only be allowed if the mux is in bypass setting?
> >> Several drivers still depend on direct dpll clk_set_rate working
> >> 'properly' (there are some other issues currently present also which
> >> have nothing to do with the mux behavior.)
> >>
> >>> This issue has been lingering for a long time and we can't use
> >>> determine_rate unless that clock has multiple parents. Simply hacking
> >>> knowledge of the parent bypass clock into the .set_rate callback is not
> >>> enough.
> >>
> >> If you believe this _must_ be changed, I can take a look at this for
> >> next merge window, but this will cause a DT data compatibility break if
> >> nothing else (personally I don't care about this as I always rebuild DT
> >> blob with kernel, but lots of other people seem to do.)
> >
> > Well I guess the question is how long will we put up with the many small
> > headaches caused by incorrectly modeling the clock?
>
> Well, its not kind of incorrectly modelled, it is just modelled in such
> way that clk_set_rate doesn't cope too well with it.
>
> > determine_rate and clk_set_parent_and_rate should be sufficient for the
> > OMAP DPLLs but only if they are correctly modeled in the framework.
>
> Do we have implementation for clk_set_parent_and_rate someplace? I
> looked at rc7 and didn't find this. I think this would fix the issues I
> am seeing combined with determine_rate, if clk_set_rate would internally
> handle changing both rate + parent.
I made it hard for you to find it because I typo'd. It's not a clk api
but a clk_op:
int (*set_rate_and_parent)(struct clk_hw *hw, unsigned long rate,
unsigned long parent_rate, u8 index);
Regards,
Mike
>
> -Tero
>
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike
> >
> >>
> >> -Tero
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Mike
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm interested in the other issues that you mentioned
> >>>>> too.
> >>>>
> >>>> Mostly these were side-effects from the illegal DPLL setup I guess, like
> >>>> boot hang, failed drivers etc. I didn't really investigate this that
> >>>> much as it is much more simpler just to use safe list iteration here.
> >>>>
> >>>> -Tero
> >>
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-09-30 19:03 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-08-21 13:47 [PATCH] clk: prevent erronous parsing of children during rate change Tero Kristo
2014-08-21 13:47 ` Tero Kristo
2014-08-21 13:47 ` Tero Kristo
2014-08-21 13:59 ` Nishanth Menon
2014-08-21 13:59 ` Nishanth Menon
2014-08-21 13:59 ` Nishanth Menon
2014-09-03 19:22 ` Mike Turquette
2014-09-03 19:22 ` Mike Turquette
2014-09-17 18:27 ` Felipe Balbi
2014-09-17 18:27 ` Felipe Balbi
2014-09-17 18:27 ` Felipe Balbi
2014-09-22 19:18 ` Stephen Boyd
2014-09-22 19:18 ` Stephen Boyd
2014-09-23 13:38 ` Tero Kristo
2014-09-23 13:38 ` Tero Kristo
2014-09-23 13:38 ` Tero Kristo
2014-09-26 1:35 ` Stephen Boyd
2014-09-26 1:35 ` Stephen Boyd
2014-09-26 7:18 ` Tero Kristo
2014-09-26 7:18 ` Tero Kristo
2014-09-26 7:18 ` Tero Kristo
2014-09-26 23:24 ` Mike Turquette
2014-09-26 23:24 ` Mike Turquette
2014-09-29 8:09 ` Tero Kristo
2014-09-29 8:09 ` Tero Kristo
2014-09-29 8:09 ` Tero Kristo
2014-09-30 7:07 ` Mike Turquette
2014-09-30 7:07 ` Mike Turquette
2014-09-30 8:48 ` Tero Kristo
2014-09-30 8:48 ` Tero Kristo
2014-09-30 8:48 ` Tero Kristo
2014-09-30 19:03 ` Mike Turquette [this message]
2014-09-30 19:03 ` Mike Turquette
2014-10-02 13:31 ` Tero Kristo
2014-10-02 13:31 ` Tero Kristo
2014-10-02 13:31 ` Tero Kristo
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