From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
Cc: thuth@linux.vnet.ibm.com, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
Rusty Russell <rusty@au1.ibm.com>,
Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>,
qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 00/11] qemu: towards virtio-1 host support
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 10:12:51 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20141023071251.GA6287@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1414010056.364.20.camel@pasglop>
On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 07:34:16AM +1100, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:
> On Wed, 2014-10-22 at 16:17 +0200, Jan Kiszka wrote:
> > I thought about this again, and I'm not sure anymore if we can use
> > ACPI
> > to "black-list" the incompatible virtio devices. Reason: hotplug. To
> > my
> > understanding, the ACPI DRHD tables won't change during runtime when a
> > device shows up or disappears. We would have to isolate virtio devices
> > from the rest of the system by using separate buses for it (and avoid
> > listing those in any DRHD table) and enforce that they only get
> > plugged
> > into those buses. I suppose that is not desirable.
> >
> > Maybe it's better to fix virtio /wrt IOMMUs.
>
> I always go back to my initial proposal which is to define that current
> virtio always bypass any iommu (which is what it does really) and have
> it expose via a new capability if that isn't the case. That means fixing
> that Xen thingy to allow qemu to know what to expose I assume but that
> seems to be the less bad approach.
>
> Cheers,
> Ben.
>
OK so how does this work?
If you want to run an existing guest, you use the old device.
And presumably you blacklist virtio for nested virt then,
unless a new capability is present?
--
MST
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
Cc: thuth@linux.vnet.ibm.com, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
Rusty Russell <rusty@au1.ibm.com>,
Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>,
qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
Cornelia Huck <cornelia.huck@de.ibm.com>,
virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC 00/11] qemu: towards virtio-1 host support
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 10:12:51 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20141023071251.GA6287@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1414010056.364.20.camel@pasglop>
On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 07:34:16AM +1100, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:
> On Wed, 2014-10-22 at 16:17 +0200, Jan Kiszka wrote:
> > I thought about this again, and I'm not sure anymore if we can use
> > ACPI
> > to "black-list" the incompatible virtio devices. Reason: hotplug. To
> > my
> > understanding, the ACPI DRHD tables won't change during runtime when a
> > device shows up or disappears. We would have to isolate virtio devices
> > from the rest of the system by using separate buses for it (and avoid
> > listing those in any DRHD table) and enforce that they only get
> > plugged
> > into those buses. I suppose that is not desirable.
> >
> > Maybe it's better to fix virtio /wrt IOMMUs.
>
> I always go back to my initial proposal which is to define that current
> virtio always bypass any iommu (which is what it does really) and have
> it expose via a new capability if that isn't the case. That means fixing
> that Xen thingy to allow qemu to know what to expose I assume but that
> seems to be the less bad approach.
>
> Cheers,
> Ben.
>
OK so how does this work?
If you want to run an existing guest, you use the old device.
And presumably you blacklist virtio for nested virt then,
unless a new capability is present?
--
MST
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-10-23 7:12 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-10-07 14:39 [PATCH RFC 00/11] qemu: towards virtio-1 host support Cornelia Huck
2014-10-07 14:39 ` [Qemu-devel] " Cornelia Huck
2014-10-07 14:39 ` [PATCH RFC 01/11] linux-headers/virtio_config: Update with VIRTIO_F_VERSION_1 Cornelia Huck
2014-10-07 14:39 ` [Qemu-devel] " Cornelia Huck
2014-10-07 14:39 ` Cornelia Huck
2014-10-07 14:39 ` [PATCH RFC 02/11] virtio: cull virtio_bus_set_vdev_features Cornelia Huck
2014-10-07 14:39 ` [Qemu-devel] " Cornelia Huck
2014-10-07 14:39 ` Cornelia Huck
2014-10-07 14:39 ` [PATCH RFC 03/11] virtio: support more feature bits Cornelia Huck
2014-10-07 14:39 ` Cornelia Huck
2014-10-07 14:39 ` [Qemu-devel] " Cornelia Huck
2014-10-13 5:53 ` Rusty Russell
2014-10-13 5:53 ` [Qemu-devel] " Rusty Russell
2014-10-13 10:55 ` Cornelia Huck
2014-10-13 10:55 ` [Qemu-devel] " Cornelia Huck
2014-10-07 14:40 ` [PATCH RFC 04/11] s390x/virtio-ccw: fix check for WRITE_FEAT Cornelia Huck
2014-10-07 14:40 ` [Qemu-devel] " Cornelia Huck
2014-10-07 14:40 ` Cornelia Huck
2014-10-07 14:40 ` [PATCH RFC 05/11] virtio: introduce legacy virtio devices Cornelia Huck
2014-10-07 14:40 ` [Qemu-devel] " Cornelia Huck
2014-10-28 15:40 ` Greg Kurz
2014-10-28 15:40 ` Greg Kurz
2014-10-28 15:40 ` Greg Kurz
2014-10-30 18:02 ` Cornelia Huck
2014-10-30 18:02 ` Cornelia Huck
2014-10-30 22:29 ` Greg Kurz
2014-10-30 22:29 ` Greg Kurz
2014-11-03 11:44 ` Cornelia Huck
2014-11-03 11:44 ` Cornelia Huck
2014-11-03 11:44 ` Cornelia Huck
2014-10-07 14:40 ` [PATCH RFC 06/11] virtio: allow virtio-1 queue layout Cornelia Huck
2014-10-07 14:40 ` [Qemu-devel] " Cornelia Huck
2014-10-07 14:40 ` [PATCH RFC 07/11] dataplane: allow virtio-1 devices Cornelia Huck
2014-10-07 14:40 ` [Qemu-devel] " Cornelia Huck
2014-10-28 15:22 ` Greg Kurz
2014-10-28 15:22 ` Greg Kurz
2014-10-28 15:22 ` Greg Kurz
2014-10-30 9:18 ` Cornelia Huck
2014-10-30 9:18 ` Cornelia Huck
2014-10-07 14:40 ` Cornelia Huck
2014-10-07 14:40 ` [PATCH RFC 08/11] s390x/css: Add a callback for when subchannel gets disabled Cornelia Huck
2014-10-07 14:40 ` Cornelia Huck
2014-10-07 14:40 ` [Qemu-devel] " Cornelia Huck
2014-10-07 14:40 ` [PATCH RFC 09/11] s390x/virtio-ccw: add virtio set-revision call Cornelia Huck
2014-10-07 14:40 ` Cornelia Huck
2014-10-07 14:40 ` [Qemu-devel] " Cornelia Huck
2014-10-07 14:40 ` [PATCH RFC 10/11] s390x/virtio-ccw: support virtio-1 set_vq format Cornelia Huck
2014-10-07 14:40 ` [Qemu-devel] " Cornelia Huck
2014-10-07 14:40 ` [PATCH RFC 11/11] s390x/virtio-ccw: enable virtio 1.0 Cornelia Huck
2014-10-07 14:40 ` Cornelia Huck
2014-10-07 14:40 ` [Qemu-devel] " Cornelia Huck
2014-10-08 1:24 ` [PATCH RFC 00/11] qemu: towards virtio-1 host support Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-08 1:24 ` [Qemu-devel] " Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-08 9:04 ` Cornelia Huck
2014-10-08 9:04 ` [Qemu-devel] " Cornelia Huck
2014-10-22 8:44 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-10-22 8:44 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-10-22 14:17 ` Jan Kiszka
2014-10-22 14:17 ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2014-10-22 14:36 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-10-22 14:36 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-10-22 20:34 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-10-22 20:34 ` [Qemu-devel] " Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-10-23 6:44 ` Jan Kiszka
2014-10-23 6:44 ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2014-10-23 9:18 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-10-23 9:18 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-10-23 7:12 ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2014-10-23 7:12 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-10-23 21:42 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-10-23 21:42 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-10-24 8:38 ` Cornelia Huck
2014-10-24 8:38 ` [Qemu-devel] " Cornelia Huck
2014-10-24 12:37 ` Cornelia Huck
2014-10-24 12:37 ` [Qemu-devel] " Cornelia Huck
2014-10-24 14:05 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-10-24 14:05 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-10-24 14:17 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-10-24 14:17 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-10-28 4:43 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-10-28 4:43 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-10-30 16:52 ` Cornelia Huck
2014-10-30 16:52 ` [Qemu-devel] " Cornelia Huck
2014-10-24 8:38 ` Cornelia Huck
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