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From: thomas.petazzoni@free-electrons.com (Thomas Petazzoni)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH 12/17] ARM: mvebu: Armada XP GP specific suspend/resume code
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 16:12:26 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20141027161226.199cca96@free-electrons.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20141027145939.GD12627@lunn.ch>

Dear Andrew Lunn,

On Mon, 27 Oct 2014 15:59:39 +0100, Andrew Lunn wrote:

> > Right. But for existing notifier chains, the existence, semantic and
> > meaning of the parameters are already defined, and the gazillions users
> > of that notifier chain in the kernel rely on those parameters to not
> > change.
> 
> That is not really true. Lets start off with:
> 
> https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/10/21/56
> 
> This is brand new code, implementing the poweroff handler call chain.
> Take a look at do_kernel_power_off(). It passes a NULL pointer as the
> parameter to the handler function. So there are not gazillions users
> of that notifier chain in the kernel rely on those parameters to not
> change.

Ok now I understand why I didn't see it. This code is not in mainline.
And actually, it doesn't seem to be close from hitting mainline when
reading the reaction of Rafael Wysocki on the main patch:

"""
Well, I must admit to having second thoughts regarding this particular
mechanism.  Namely, notifiers don't seem to be the best way of
expressing what's needed from the design standpoint.
"""

So I'm a bit reluctant to create a dependency of the Armada XP
suspend/resume code to a very large unmerged patch series that doesn't
seem to even be close of having a consensus amongst the maintainers.

Isn't this something we can rework afterwards once the poweroff
discussion has settled? I wouldn't mind declaring the particular
aspects of the DT bindings related to the PIC GPIOs as "staging", so
that we keep the freedom to change them for a few kernel releases until
we settle on the final solution for that.

Best regards,

Thomas
-- 
Thomas Petazzoni, CTO, Free Electrons
Embedded Linux, Kernel and Android engineering
http://free-electrons.com

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From: Thomas Petazzoni <thomas.petazzoni-wi1+55ScJUtKEb57/3fJTNBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
To: Andrew Lunn <andrew-g2DYL2Zd6BY@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Jason Cooper <jason-NLaQJdtUoK4Be96aLqz0jA@public.gmane.org>,
	Sebastian Hesselbarth
	<sebastian.hesselbarth-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	Gregory Clement
	<gregory.clement-wi1+55ScJUtKEb57/3fJTNBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-arm-kernel-IAPFreCvJWM7uuMidbF8XUB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org,
	Tawfik Bayouk <tawfik-eYqpPyKDWXRBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Nadav Haklai <nadavh-eYqpPyKDWXRBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Lior Amsalem <alior-eYqpPyKDWXRBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Ezequiel Garcia
	<ezequiel.garcia-wi1+55ScJUtKEb57/3fJTNBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>,
	devicetree-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 12/17] ARM: mvebu: Armada XP GP specific suspend/resume code
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 16:12:26 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20141027161226.199cca96@free-electrons.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20141027145939.GD12627-g2DYL2Zd6BY@public.gmane.org>

Dear Andrew Lunn,

On Mon, 27 Oct 2014 15:59:39 +0100, Andrew Lunn wrote:

> > Right. But for existing notifier chains, the existence, semantic and
> > meaning of the parameters are already defined, and the gazillions users
> > of that notifier chain in the kernel rely on those parameters to not
> > change.
> 
> That is not really true. Lets start off with:
> 
> https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/10/21/56
> 
> This is brand new code, implementing the poweroff handler call chain.
> Take a look at do_kernel_power_off(). It passes a NULL pointer as the
> parameter to the handler function. So there are not gazillions users
> of that notifier chain in the kernel rely on those parameters to not
> change.

Ok now I understand why I didn't see it. This code is not in mainline.
And actually, it doesn't seem to be close from hitting mainline when
reading the reaction of Rafael Wysocki on the main patch:

"""
Well, I must admit to having second thoughts regarding this particular
mechanism.  Namely, notifiers don't seem to be the best way of
expressing what's needed from the design standpoint.
"""

So I'm a bit reluctant to create a dependency of the Armada XP
suspend/resume code to a very large unmerged patch series that doesn't
seem to even be close of having a consensus amongst the maintainers.

Isn't this something we can rework afterwards once the poweroff
discussion has settled? I wouldn't mind declaring the particular
aspects of the DT bindings related to the PIC GPIOs as "staging", so
that we keep the freedom to change them for a few kernel releases until
we settle on the final solution for that.

Best regards,

Thomas
-- 
Thomas Petazzoni, CTO, Free Electrons
Embedded Linux, Kernel and Android engineering
http://free-electrons.com
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Thread overview: 120+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-10-24 11:59 [PATCH 00/17] Suspend to RAM support for Armada XP Thomas Petazzoni
2014-10-24 11:59 ` Thomas Petazzoni
2014-10-24 11:59 ` [PATCH 01/17] Documentation: dt-bindings: minimal documentation for MVEBU SDRAM controller Thomas Petazzoni
2014-10-24 11:59   ` Thomas Petazzoni
2014-11-03 17:05   ` Gregory CLEMENT
2014-11-03 17:05     ` Gregory CLEMENT
2014-10-24 11:59 ` [PATCH 02/17] ARM: mvebu: enable strex backoff delay Thomas Petazzoni
2014-10-24 11:59   ` Thomas Petazzoni
2014-11-03 17:08   ` Gregory CLEMENT
2014-11-03 17:08     ` Gregory CLEMENT
2014-10-24 11:59 ` [PATCH 03/17] irqchip: irq-armada-370-xp: use proper return value for ->set_affinity() Thomas Petazzoni
2014-10-24 11:59   ` Thomas Petazzoni
2014-11-03 17:20   ` Gregory CLEMENT
2014-11-03 17:20     ` Gregory CLEMENT
2014-11-07  4:09   ` Jason Cooper
2014-11-07  4:09     ` Jason Cooper
2014-11-07  4:09     ` Jason Cooper
2014-10-24 11:59 ` [PATCH 04/17] irqchip: irq-armada-370-xp: suspend/resume support Thomas Petazzoni
2014-10-24 11:59   ` Thomas Petazzoni
2014-10-24 11:59   ` Thomas Petazzoni
2014-11-03 17:38   ` Gregory CLEMENT
2014-11-03 17:38     ` Gregory CLEMENT
2014-11-13 16:32     ` Thomas Petazzoni
2014-11-13 16:32       ` Thomas Petazzoni
2014-10-24 11:59 ` [PATCH 05/17] clocksource: time-armada-370-xp: add " Thomas Petazzoni
2014-10-24 11:59   ` Thomas Petazzoni
2014-11-03 17:45   ` Gregory CLEMENT
2014-11-03 17:45     ` Gregory CLEMENT
2014-11-03 17:45     ` Gregory CLEMENT
2014-10-24 11:59 ` [PATCH 06/17] gpio: mvebu: " Thomas Petazzoni
2014-10-24 11:59   ` Thomas Petazzoni
2014-10-24 16:30   ` David Cohen
2014-10-24 16:30     ` David Cohen
2014-10-24 20:45     ` Andrew Lunn
2014-10-24 20:45       ` Andrew Lunn
2014-10-27  5:27       ` Alexandre Courbot
2014-10-27  5:27         ` Alexandre Courbot
2014-10-27 17:45         ` David Cohen
2014-10-27 17:45           ` David Cohen
2014-10-31  7:00   ` Linus Walleij
2014-10-31  7:00     ` Linus Walleij
2014-10-31  7:52     ` Gregory CLEMENT
2014-10-31  7:52       ` Gregory CLEMENT
2014-10-31  8:14       ` Thomas Petazzoni
2014-10-31  8:14         ` Thomas Petazzoni
2014-11-03 13:26       ` Linus Walleij
2014-11-03 13:26         ` Linus Walleij
2014-11-03 13:29   ` Linus Walleij
2014-11-03 13:29     ` Linus Walleij
2014-11-03 17:53   ` Gregory CLEMENT
2014-11-03 17:53     ` Gregory CLEMENT
2014-11-03 21:21     ` Thomas Petazzoni
2014-11-03 21:21       ` Thomas Petazzoni
2014-10-24 11:59 ` [PATCH 07/17] bus: mvebu-mbus: " Thomas Petazzoni
2014-10-24 11:59   ` Thomas Petazzoni
2014-11-03 18:08   ` Gregory CLEMENT
2014-11-03 18:08     ` Gregory CLEMENT
2014-11-03 21:20     ` Thomas Petazzoni
2014-11-03 21:20       ` Thomas Petazzoni
2014-10-24 11:59 ` [PATCH 08/17] bus: mvebu-mbus: provide a mechanism to save SDRAM window configuration Thomas Petazzoni
2014-10-24 11:59   ` Thomas Petazzoni
2014-11-04  9:17   ` Gregory CLEMENT
2014-11-04  9:17     ` Gregory CLEMENT
2014-10-24 11:59 ` [PATCH 09/17] clk: mvebu: add suspend/resume for gatable clocks Thomas Petazzoni
2014-10-24 11:59   ` Thomas Petazzoni
2014-11-04  9:32   ` Gregory CLEMENT
2014-11-04  9:32     ` Gregory CLEMENT
2014-11-04  9:32     ` Gregory CLEMENT
2014-10-24 11:59 ` [PATCH 10/17] ARM: mvebu: implement suspend/resume support for Armada XP Thomas Petazzoni
2014-10-24 11:59   ` Thomas Petazzoni
2014-11-04 10:00   ` Gregory CLEMENT
2014-11-04 10:00     ` Gregory CLEMENT
2014-11-13 17:00     ` Thomas Petazzoni
2014-11-13 17:00       ` Thomas Petazzoni
2014-10-24 11:59 ` [PATCH 11/17] ARM: mvebu: reserve the first 10 KB of each memory bank for suspend/resume Thomas Petazzoni
2014-10-24 11:59   ` Thomas Petazzoni
2014-11-04 10:09   ` Gregory CLEMENT
2014-11-04 10:09     ` Gregory CLEMENT
2014-10-24 11:59 ` [PATCH 12/17] ARM: mvebu: Armada XP GP specific suspend/resume code Thomas Petazzoni
2014-10-24 11:59   ` Thomas Petazzoni
2014-10-24 14:20   ` Andrew Lunn
2014-10-24 14:20     ` Andrew Lunn
2014-10-24 14:28     ` Thomas Petazzoni
2014-10-24 14:28       ` Thomas Petazzoni
2014-10-24 14:51       ` Andrew Lunn
2014-10-24 14:51         ` Andrew Lunn
2014-10-27 12:51         ` Thomas Petazzoni
2014-10-27 12:51           ` Thomas Petazzoni
2014-10-27 14:19           ` Andrew Lunn
2014-10-27 14:19             ` Andrew Lunn
2014-10-27 14:40             ` Thomas Petazzoni
2014-10-27 14:40               ` Thomas Petazzoni
2014-10-27 14:59               ` Andrew Lunn
2014-10-27 14:59                 ` Andrew Lunn
2014-10-27 15:12                 ` Thomas Petazzoni [this message]
2014-10-27 15:12                   ` Thomas Petazzoni
2014-10-27 15:15                   ` Andrew Lunn
2014-10-27 15:15                     ` Andrew Lunn
2014-11-10 13:53   ` Gregory CLEMENT
2014-11-10 13:53     ` Gregory CLEMENT
2014-10-24 11:59 ` [PATCH 13/17] ARM: mvebu: make sure MMU is disabled in armada_370_xp_cpu_resume Thomas Petazzoni
2014-10-24 11:59   ` Thomas Petazzoni
2014-11-10 14:05   ` Gregory CLEMENT
2014-11-10 14:05     ` Gregory CLEMENT
2014-10-24 11:59 ` [PATCH 14/17] ARM: mvebu: synchronize secondary CPU clocks on resume Thomas Petazzoni
2014-10-24 11:59   ` Thomas Petazzoni
2014-11-10 14:12   ` Gregory CLEMENT
2014-11-10 14:12     ` Gregory CLEMENT
2014-10-24 11:59 ` [PATCH 15/17] ARM: mvebu: add suspend/resume DT information for Armada XP GP Thomas Petazzoni
2014-10-24 11:59   ` Thomas Petazzoni
2014-11-10 14:14   ` Gregory CLEMENT
2014-11-10 14:14     ` Gregory CLEMENT
2014-10-24 11:59 ` [PATCH 16/17] ARM: mvebu: adjust mbus controller description on Armada 370/XP Thomas Petazzoni
2014-10-24 11:59   ` Thomas Petazzoni
2014-11-10 14:15   ` Gregory CLEMENT
2014-11-10 14:15     ` Gregory CLEMENT
2014-10-24 11:59 ` [PATCH 17/17] ARM: mvebu: add SDRAM controller description for Armada XP Thomas Petazzoni
2014-10-24 11:59   ` Thomas Petazzoni
2014-11-10 14:25   ` Gregory CLEMENT
2014-11-10 14:25     ` Gregory CLEMENT

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