From: Eduardo Valentin <edubezval@gmail.com>
To: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
Cc: nm@ti.com, rui.zhang@intel.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-pm@vger.kernel.org, pali.rohar@gmail.com, sre@debian.org,
sre@ring0.de,
linux-arm-kernel <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
linux-omap@vger.kernel.org, tony@atomide.com, khilman@kernel.org,
aaro.koskinen@iki.fi, ivo.g.dimitrov.75@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] thermal: add omap3 support
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 17:41:57 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150105214155.GE31536@developer> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150103220219.GA26747@amd>
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On Sat, Jan 03, 2015 at 11:02:19PM +0100, Pavel Machek wrote:
> Hi!
>
> > Thanks for sending your code.
>
> You are welcome.
>
> > > Add support for omap3430 sensor. Tested on Nokia N900.
> >
> > To my understanding, and as already mentioned by Nishanth Menon
> > (currently TIer), TI has intentionally avoided adding this support.
>
> Well, Nokia had similar code in their kernel.
>
> > There is a hardware accuracy limitation in this sensor, and therefore it
> > is not advisable to use it, specially in Dynamic Thermal Management,
> > such as the thermal framework.
>
> We are talking cellphone here. Yes, sensor may be inacurate (but it
> seems to work pretty well; perhaps TI can point us to some docs that
> explains the details?), but it provides useful information (mostly
sure! you should demand TI the proper data pointers.
> room temperature). I don't think we'll ever run anywhere close to
> thermal limits where inacuracy would matter. (Battery can't really
> take > 60C. AFAICT CPU limit is 120C. Battery is close to the CPU.)
Well, when the sensor's accuracy is +-15C and there is variance across
the sample distribution, well, that means you are gonna see products
behaving way different from each other, even if you are attempting to
find a threshold to shutdown a device.
BTW, I am not a TIer anymore, and I don't have the exact data to provide
you.
>
> > > Signed-off-by: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
> > >
> > > diff --git a/drivers/thermal/ti-soc-thermal/Kconfig b/drivers/thermal/ti-soc-thermal/Kconfig
> > > index bd4c7be..a49495f 100644
> > > --- a/drivers/thermal/ti-soc-thermal/Kconfig
> > > +++ b/drivers/thermal/ti-soc-thermal/Kconfig
> > > @@ -21,6 +21,15 @@ config TI_THERMAL
> > > This includes trip points definitions, extrapolation rules and
> > > CPU cooling device bindings.
> > >
> > > +config OMAP3_THERMAL
> > > + bool "Texas Instruments OMAP3 thermal support"
> > > + depends on TI_SOC_THERMAL
> > > + depends on ARCH_OMAP3
> > > + help
> > > + If you say yes here you get thermal support for the Texas Instruments
> > > + OMAP3 SoC family. The current chip supported are:
> > > + - OMAP3430
> >
> > But if you insist :-), I believe the user deserves at least a fair
> > message saying this is on his / her own risk.
>
> Something like this?
>
> If you say yes here you get thermal support for the Texas Instruments
> OMAP3 SoC family. The current chip supported are:
> - OMAP3430
>
> OMAP3 chips normally don't need thermal management, and sensors in
> this generation are not very accurate, nor they are very close to
> the important hotspots.
I would be stronger and rephrase with s/very//g.
>
> Say 'N' here.
>
>
> > > +static struct temp_sensor_registers
> > > +omap34xx_mpu_temp_sensor_registers = {
> > > + .temp_sensor_ctrl = 0,
> > > + .bgap_tempsoff_mask = 0, /* Unused, we don't have POWER_SWITCH */
> > > + .bgap_soc_mask = BIT(8),
> > > + .bgap_eocz_mask = BIT(7),
> > > + .bgap_dtemp_mask = 0x7f,
> > > +
> > > + .bgap_mode_ctrl = 0,
> > > + .mode_ctrl_mask = BIT(9),
> > > +
> > > + .bgap_efuse = 0,
> >
> > The 0'ed filed may be removed here.
>
> Ok; I'll keep temp_sensors_ctrl / bgap_mode_ctrl, because it is actually used.
>
>
> > > diff --git a/drivers/thermal/ti-soc-thermal/ti-bandgap.c b/drivers/thermal/ti-soc-thermal/ti-bandgap.c
> > > index 634b6ce..3b4e72f 100644
> > > --- a/drivers/thermal/ti-soc-thermal/ti-bandgap.c
> > > +++ b/drivers/thermal/ti-soc-thermal/ti-bandgap.c
> > > @@ -1509,6 +1531,12 @@ static SIMPLE_DEV_PM_OPS(ti_bandgap_dev_pm_ops, ti_bandgap_suspend,
> > > #endif
> > >
> > > static const struct of_device_id of_ti_bandgap_match[] = {
> > > +#ifdef CONFIG_OMAP3_THERMAL
> > > + {
> > > + .compatible = "ti,omap34xx-bandgap",
> >
> > This needs to be updated in the binding documentation.
> > Documentation/devicetree/bindings/thermal/ti_soc_thermal.txt
>
> Ok.
>
> > > + .data = (void *)&omap34xx_data,
> >
> >
> > Having a run time message intentionally advising users of the risk of
> > using this sensor is also required.
>
> Ok, what about?
>
> if (TI_BANDGAP_HAS(bgp, UNRELIABLE))
> dev_warn(&pdev->dev,
> "OMAP3 thermal sensor is unreliable and normally unneccessary\n");
>
works for me.
> Will not fit in 80 columns, but keeping message on one line is more important.
> Pavel
> --
> (english) http://www.livejournal.com/~pavelmachek
> (cesky, pictures) http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pavel/picture/horses/blog.html
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From: edubezval@gmail.com (Eduardo Valentin)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH] thermal: add omap3 support
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 17:41:57 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150105214155.GE31536@developer> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150103220219.GA26747@amd>
On Sat, Jan 03, 2015 at 11:02:19PM +0100, Pavel Machek wrote:
> Hi!
>
> > Thanks for sending your code.
>
> You are welcome.
>
> > > Add support for omap3430 sensor. Tested on Nokia N900.
> >
> > To my understanding, and as already mentioned by Nishanth Menon
> > (currently TIer), TI has intentionally avoided adding this support.
>
> Well, Nokia had similar code in their kernel.
>
> > There is a hardware accuracy limitation in this sensor, and therefore it
> > is not advisable to use it, specially in Dynamic Thermal Management,
> > such as the thermal framework.
>
> We are talking cellphone here. Yes, sensor may be inacurate (but it
> seems to work pretty well; perhaps TI can point us to some docs that
> explains the details?), but it provides useful information (mostly
sure! you should demand TI the proper data pointers.
> room temperature). I don't think we'll ever run anywhere close to
> thermal limits where inacuracy would matter. (Battery can't really
> take > 60C. AFAICT CPU limit is 120C. Battery is close to the CPU.)
Well, when the sensor's accuracy is +-15C and there is variance across
the sample distribution, well, that means you are gonna see products
behaving way different from each other, even if you are attempting to
find a threshold to shutdown a device.
BTW, I am not a TIer anymore, and I don't have the exact data to provide
you.
>
> > > Signed-off-by: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
> > >
> > > diff --git a/drivers/thermal/ti-soc-thermal/Kconfig b/drivers/thermal/ti-soc-thermal/Kconfig
> > > index bd4c7be..a49495f 100644
> > > --- a/drivers/thermal/ti-soc-thermal/Kconfig
> > > +++ b/drivers/thermal/ti-soc-thermal/Kconfig
> > > @@ -21,6 +21,15 @@ config TI_THERMAL
> > > This includes trip points definitions, extrapolation rules and
> > > CPU cooling device bindings.
> > >
> > > +config OMAP3_THERMAL
> > > + bool "Texas Instruments OMAP3 thermal support"
> > > + depends on TI_SOC_THERMAL
> > > + depends on ARCH_OMAP3
> > > + help
> > > + If you say yes here you get thermal support for the Texas Instruments
> > > + OMAP3 SoC family. The current chip supported are:
> > > + - OMAP3430
> >
> > But if you insist :-), I believe the user deserves at least a fair
> > message saying this is on his / her own risk.
>
> Something like this?
>
> If you say yes here you get thermal support for the Texas Instruments
> OMAP3 SoC family. The current chip supported are:
> - OMAP3430
>
> OMAP3 chips normally don't need thermal management, and sensors in
> this generation are not very accurate, nor they are very close to
> the important hotspots.
I would be stronger and rephrase with s/very//g.
>
> Say 'N' here.
>
>
> > > +static struct temp_sensor_registers
> > > +omap34xx_mpu_temp_sensor_registers = {
> > > + .temp_sensor_ctrl = 0,
> > > + .bgap_tempsoff_mask = 0, /* Unused, we don't have POWER_SWITCH */
> > > + .bgap_soc_mask = BIT(8),
> > > + .bgap_eocz_mask = BIT(7),
> > > + .bgap_dtemp_mask = 0x7f,
> > > +
> > > + .bgap_mode_ctrl = 0,
> > > + .mode_ctrl_mask = BIT(9),
> > > +
> > > + .bgap_efuse = 0,
> >
> > The 0'ed filed may be removed here.
>
> Ok; I'll keep temp_sensors_ctrl / bgap_mode_ctrl, because it is actually used.
>
>
> > > diff --git a/drivers/thermal/ti-soc-thermal/ti-bandgap.c b/drivers/thermal/ti-soc-thermal/ti-bandgap.c
> > > index 634b6ce..3b4e72f 100644
> > > --- a/drivers/thermal/ti-soc-thermal/ti-bandgap.c
> > > +++ b/drivers/thermal/ti-soc-thermal/ti-bandgap.c
> > > @@ -1509,6 +1531,12 @@ static SIMPLE_DEV_PM_OPS(ti_bandgap_dev_pm_ops, ti_bandgap_suspend,
> > > #endif
> > >
> > > static const struct of_device_id of_ti_bandgap_match[] = {
> > > +#ifdef CONFIG_OMAP3_THERMAL
> > > + {
> > > + .compatible = "ti,omap34xx-bandgap",
> >
> > This needs to be updated in the binding documentation.
> > Documentation/devicetree/bindings/thermal/ti_soc_thermal.txt
>
> Ok.
>
> > > + .data = (void *)&omap34xx_data,
> >
> >
> > Having a run time message intentionally advising users of the risk of
> > using this sensor is also required.
>
> Ok, what about?
>
> if (TI_BANDGAP_HAS(bgp, UNRELIABLE))
> dev_warn(&pdev->dev,
> "OMAP3 thermal sensor is unreliable and normally unneccessary\n");
>
works for me.
> Will not fit in 80 columns, but keeping message on one line is more important.
> Pavel
> --
> (english) http://www.livejournal.com/~pavelmachek
> (cesky, pictures) http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pavel/picture/horses/blog.html
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Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-01-03 11:11 [PATCH] thermal: add omap3 support Pavel Machek
2015-01-03 11:11 ` Pavel Machek
2015-01-03 12:34 ` Eduardo Valentin
2015-01-03 12:34 ` Eduardo Valentin
2015-01-03 22:02 ` Pavel Machek
2015-01-03 22:02 ` Pavel Machek
2015-01-05 21:41 ` Eduardo Valentin [this message]
2015-01-05 21:41 ` Eduardo Valentin
2015-01-18 20:28 ` [PATCHv2] " Pavel Machek
2015-01-18 20:28 ` Pavel Machek
2015-01-18 20:28 ` Pavel Machek
2015-03-13 5:03 ` Eduardo Valentin
2015-03-13 5:03 ` Eduardo Valentin
2015-03-13 19:40 ` Pavel Machek
2015-03-13 19:40 ` Pavel Machek
2015-03-13 12:09 ` Pavel Machek
2015-03-13 12:09 ` Pavel Machek
2015-03-13 16:53 ` Eduardo Valentin
2015-03-13 16:53 ` Eduardo Valentin
2015-03-14 18:02 ` Pavel Machek
2015-03-14 18:02 ` Pavel Machek
2015-03-23 11:25 ` Pavel Machek
2015-03-23 11:25 ` Pavel Machek
2015-03-23 14:31 ` Eduardo Valentin
2015-03-23 14:31 ` Eduardo Valentin
2015-03-23 15:58 ` Pavel Machek
2015-03-23 15:58 ` Pavel Machek
2015-03-23 17:55 ` Eduardo Valentin
2015-03-23 17:55 ` Eduardo Valentin
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