From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
To: David Hildenbrand <dahi@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mingo@redhat.com,
yang.shi@windriver.com, bigeasy@linutronix.de,
benh@kernel.crashing.org, paulus@samba.org,
akpm@linux-foundation.org, heiko.carstens@de.ibm.com,
schwidefsky@de.ibm.com, borntraeger@de.ibm.com, mst@redhat.com,
tglx@linutronix.de, David.Laight@ACULAB.COM, hughd@google.com,
hocko@suse.cz, ralf@linux-mips.org, herbert@gondor.apana.org.au,
linux@arm.linux.org.uk, airlied@linux.ie,
daniel.vetter@intel.com, linux-mm@kvack.org,
linux-arch@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 01/15] uaccess: count pagefault_disable() levels in pagefault_disabled
Date: Thu, 7 May 2015 13:25:01 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150507112501.GA15439@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150507132335.51016fe4@thinkpad-w530>
* David Hildenbrand <dahi@linux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, May 07, 2015 at 12:50:53PM +0200, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> > > Just to make sure we have a common understanding (as written in my cover
> > > letter):
> > >
> > > Your suggestion won't work with !CONFIG_PREEMPT (!CONFIG_PREEMPT_COUNT). If
> > > there is no preempt counter, in_atomic() won't work.
> >
> > But there is, we _always_ have a preempt_count, and irq_enter() et al.
> > _always_ increment the relevant bits.
> >
> > The thread_info::preempt_count field it never under PREEMPT_COUNT
> > include/asm-generic/preempt.h provides stuff regardless of
> > PREEMPT_COUNT.
> >
> > See how __irq_enter() -> preempt_count_add(HARDIRQ_OFFSET) ->
> > __preempt_count_add() _always_ just works.
> >
> > Its only things like preempt_disable() / preempt_enable() that get
> > munged depending on PREEMPT_COUNT/PREEMPT.
> >
>
> Sorry for the confusion. Sure, there is always the count.
>
> My point is that preempt_disable() won't result in an in_atomic() == true
> with !PREEMPT_COUNT, so I don't see any point in adding in to the pagefault
> handlers. It is not reliable.
That's why we have the preempt_count_inc()/dec() methods that are
always available.
So where's the problem?
Thanks,
Ingo
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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
To: David Hildenbrand <dahi@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mingo@redhat.com,
yang.shi@windriver.com, bigeasy@linutronix.de,
benh@kernel.crashing.org, paulus@samba.org,
akpm@linux-foundation.org, heiko.carstens@de.ibm.com,
schwidefsky@de.ibm.com, borntraeger@de.ibm.com, mst@redhat.com,
tglx@linutronix.de, David.Laight@ACULAB.COM, hughd@google.com,
hocko@suse.cz, ralf@linux-mips.org, herbert@gondor.apana.org.au,
linux@arm.linux.org.uk, airlied@linux.ie,
daniel.vetter@intel.com, linux-mm@kvack.org,
linux-arch@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 01/15] uaccess: count pagefault_disable() levels in pagefault_disabled
Date: Thu, 7 May 2015 13:25:01 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150507112501.GA15439@gmail.com> (raw)
Message-ID: <20150507112501.jrdGDGW6B7s5p-2b5p_URFxoXcOaW_Y3FZ8vNIpsHbE@z> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150507132335.51016fe4@thinkpad-w530>
* David Hildenbrand <dahi@linux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, May 07, 2015 at 12:50:53PM +0200, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> > > Just to make sure we have a common understanding (as written in my cover
> > > letter):
> > >
> > > Your suggestion won't work with !CONFIG_PREEMPT (!CONFIG_PREEMPT_COUNT). If
> > > there is no preempt counter, in_atomic() won't work.
> >
> > But there is, we _always_ have a preempt_count, and irq_enter() et al.
> > _always_ increment the relevant bits.
> >
> > The thread_info::preempt_count field it never under PREEMPT_COUNT
> > include/asm-generic/preempt.h provides stuff regardless of
> > PREEMPT_COUNT.
> >
> > See how __irq_enter() -> preempt_count_add(HARDIRQ_OFFSET) ->
> > __preempt_count_add() _always_ just works.
> >
> > Its only things like preempt_disable() / preempt_enable() that get
> > munged depending on PREEMPT_COUNT/PREEMPT.
> >
>
> Sorry for the confusion. Sure, there is always the count.
>
> My point is that preempt_disable() won't result in an in_atomic() == true
> with !PREEMPT_COUNT, so I don't see any point in adding in to the pagefault
> handlers. It is not reliable.
That's why we have the preempt_count_inc()/dec() methods that are
always available.
So where's the problem?
Thanks,
Ingo
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-05-07 11:25 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-05-06 17:50 [PATCH RFC 00/15] decouple pagefault_disable() from preempt_disable() David Hildenbrand
2015-05-06 17:50 ` David Hildenbrand
2015-05-06 17:50 ` [PATCH RFC 01/15] uaccess: count pagefault_disable() levels in pagefault_disabled David Hildenbrand
2015-05-06 17:50 ` David Hildenbrand
2015-05-07 10:22 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-05-07 10:22 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-05-07 10:50 ` David Hildenbrand
2015-05-07 10:50 ` David Hildenbrand
2015-05-07 10:50 ` David Hildenbrand
2015-05-07 11:12 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-05-07 11:12 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-05-07 11:23 ` David Hildenbrand
2015-05-07 11:23 ` David Hildenbrand
2015-05-07 11:25 ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2015-05-07 11:25 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-07 11:30 ` David Hildenbrand
2015-05-07 11:30 ` David Hildenbrand
2015-05-07 11:42 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-05-07 11:42 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-05-07 11:40 ` David Hildenbrand
2015-05-07 11:40 ` David Hildenbrand
2015-05-07 11:48 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-05-07 11:48 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-05-07 11:51 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-05-07 11:51 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-05-07 12:14 ` David Hildenbrand
2015-05-07 12:14 ` David Hildenbrand
2015-05-07 12:27 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-07 12:27 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-07 12:32 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-05-07 12:32 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-05-07 15:45 ` [PATCH draft] mm: use pagefault_disable() to check for disabled pagefaults in the handler David Hildenbrand
2015-05-07 15:45 ` David Hildenbrand
2015-05-07 11:12 ` [PATCH RFC 01/15] uaccess: count pagefault_disable() levels in pagefault_disabled Ingo Molnar
2015-05-07 11:12 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-06 17:50 ` [PATCH RFC 02/15] mm, uaccess: trigger might_sleep() in might_fault() with disabled pagefaults David Hildenbrand
2015-05-06 17:50 ` David Hildenbrand
2015-05-06 17:50 ` [PATCH RFC 03/15] uaccess: clarify that uaccess may only sleep if pagefaults are enabled David Hildenbrand
2015-05-06 17:50 ` David Hildenbrand
2015-05-06 17:50 ` [PATCH RFC 04/15] mm: explicitly disable/enable preemption in kmap_atomic_* David Hildenbrand
2015-05-06 17:50 ` David Hildenbrand
2015-05-06 17:50 ` [PATCH RFC 05/15] mips: kmap_coherent relies on disabled preemption David Hildenbrand
2015-05-06 17:50 ` David Hildenbrand
2015-05-06 17:50 ` [PATCH RFC 06/15] mm: use pagefault_disabled() to check for disabled pagefaults David Hildenbrand
2015-05-06 17:50 ` David Hildenbrand
2015-05-06 17:50 ` [PATCH RFC 07/15] drm/i915: " David Hildenbrand
2015-05-06 17:50 ` David Hildenbrand
2015-05-06 17:50 ` [PATCH RFC 08/15] futex: UP futex_atomic_op_inuser() relies on disabled preemption David Hildenbrand
2015-05-06 17:50 ` David Hildenbrand
2015-05-06 17:50 ` [PATCH RFC 09/15] futex: UP futex_atomic_cmpxchg_inatomic() " David Hildenbrand
2015-05-06 17:50 ` David Hildenbrand
2015-05-06 17:50 ` [PATCH RFC 10/15] arm/futex: " David Hildenbrand
2015-05-06 17:50 ` David Hildenbrand
2015-05-06 17:50 ` [PATCH RFC 11/15] arm/futex: UP futex_atomic_op_inuser() " David Hildenbrand
2015-05-06 17:50 ` David Hildenbrand
2015-05-06 17:50 ` David Hildenbrand
2015-05-06 17:50 ` David Hildenbrand
2015-05-06 17:50 ` [PATCH RFC 12/15] futex: clarify that preemption doesn't have to be disabled David Hildenbrand
2015-05-06 17:50 ` David Hildenbrand
2015-05-06 17:50 ` [PATCH RFC 13/15] powerpc: enable_kernel_altivec() requires disabled preemption David Hildenbrand
2015-05-06 17:50 ` David Hildenbrand
2015-05-07 0:21 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-05-07 0:21 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-05-06 17:50 ` [PATCH RFC 14/15] mips: properly lock access to the fpu David Hildenbrand
2015-05-06 17:50 ` David Hildenbrand
2015-05-06 17:50 ` [PATCH RFC 15/15] uaccess: decouple preemption from the pagefault logic David Hildenbrand
2015-05-06 17:50 ` David Hildenbrand
2015-05-06 22:01 ` [PATCH RFC 00/15] decouple pagefault_disable() from preempt_disable() Andrew Morton
2015-05-06 22:01 ` Andrew Morton
2015-05-07 6:23 ` David Hildenbrand
2015-05-07 6:23 ` David Hildenbrand
2015-05-07 9:48 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-07 9:48 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-07 10:51 ` Christian Borntraeger
2015-05-07 10:51 ` Christian Borntraeger
2015-05-07 11:08 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-07 11:08 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-07 11:40 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-05-07 11:40 ` Peter Zijlstra
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