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From: Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>
To: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>
Cc: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Michal Marek <mmarek@suse.cz>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	x86@kernel.org, live-patching@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 00/10] x86/asm: Compile-time asm code validation
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2015 08:52:03 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150610135203.GA19509@treble.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150610130814.GN19417@two.firstfloor.org>

On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 03:08:14PM +0200, Andi Kleen wrote:
> 
> > 2. Each callable function must never leave its own bounds (i.e. with a
> >    jump to outside the function) except when returning.
> 
> That prevents a lot of optimizations with out of line code.

In most cases there are ways to keep the optimizations.  For example:

- grow the function bounds to keep the jump internal
- duplicate the destination code inside the function
- convert the jump to a call

Also note that these rules only affect _callable_ functions, so the
entry code and other non-function asm code can still be a pile of
spaghetti (though I think Andy is working on improving that).

> In fact even gcc with the right options can generate code that violates
> this. Standard Linux constructions, such as exception handling,
> also violate this.
>
> If your tool needs that your tool is broken.

This tool only validates asm code, so I don't see how whatever gcc does
is relevant.

> BTW any other frame pointer requirement should be also optional,
> as it slows down a number of CPUs, such as Atoms.

Yes.  This patch set is a first step towards being able to disable frame
pointers.  Once all callable functions are reasonably structured, we can
start generating and validating DWARF CFI data.  Then we can make a
reliable DWARF unwinder and get rid of frame pointers.

-- 
Josh

  reply	other threads:[~2015-06-10 13:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-06-10 12:06 [PATCH v5 00/10] x86/asm: Compile-time asm code validation Josh Poimboeuf
2015-06-10 12:06 ` [PATCH v5 01/10] x86/asm: Add FP_SAVE/RESTORE frame pointer macros Josh Poimboeuf
2015-06-10 18:17   ` Pavel Machek
2015-06-10 18:24     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2015-06-11  4:22     ` Jiri Kosina
2015-06-11  6:46       ` Pavel Machek
2015-06-11 12:06         ` Jiri Kosina
2015-06-11 14:18         ` Josh Poimboeuf
2015-06-10 12:06 ` [PATCH v5 02/10] x86: Compile-time asm code validation Josh Poimboeuf
2015-06-10 17:21   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-06-10 17:53     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2015-06-10 18:15       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-06-10 18:58         ` Josh Poimboeuf
2015-06-10 22:17           ` Josh Poimboeuf
2015-06-11  6:08             ` Ingo Molnar
2015-06-11 14:01               ` Josh Poimboeuf
2015-06-11  6:10           ` Ingo Molnar
2015-06-11 14:10             ` Josh Poimboeuf
2015-06-12 11:18               ` Pedro Alves
2015-06-12 14:10                 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2015-06-12 16:00                   ` Pedro Alves
2015-06-12 16:41                     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2015-06-10 18:16     ` Vojtech Pavlik
2015-06-10 18:18       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-06-10 12:06 ` [PATCH v5 03/10] x86/asm/entry: Fix asmvalidate warnings for entry_64_compat.S Josh Poimboeuf
2015-06-10 12:06 ` [PATCH v5 04/10] x86/asm/crypto: Fix asmvalidate warnings for aesni-intel_asm.S Josh Poimboeuf
2015-06-10 12:06 ` [PATCH v5 05/10] x86/asm/crypto: Fix asmvalidate warnings for ghash-clmulni-intel_asm.S Josh Poimboeuf
     [not found] ` <cover.1433937132.git.jpoimboe-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-10 12:06   ` [PATCH v5 06/10] x86/asm/efi: Fix asmvalidate warnings for efi_stub_64.S Josh Poimboeuf
2015-06-10 12:06     ` Josh Poimboeuf
     [not found]     ` <3e1d9ce523b3174a49b4317cd8b1b85dfd0c319a.1433937132.git.jpoimboe-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-11 13:14       ` Matt Fleming
2015-06-11 13:14         ` Matt Fleming
2015-06-12 19:24         ` Borislav Petkov
2015-06-10 12:06 ` [PATCH v5 07/10] x86/asm/acpi: Fix asmvalidate warnings for wakeup_64.S Josh Poimboeuf
2015-06-10 13:19   ` Pavel Machek
2015-06-10 14:08     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2015-06-11 12:36       ` Pavel Machek
2015-06-10 13:21   ` Pavel Machek
2015-06-10 14:13     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2015-06-11  6:13       ` Ingo Molnar
2015-06-10 12:06 ` [PATCH v5 08/10] x86/asm/head: Fix asmvalidate warnings for head_64.S Josh Poimboeuf
2015-06-10 12:06 ` [PATCH v5 09/10] x86/asm/lib: Fix asmvalidate warnings for lib functions Josh Poimboeuf
2015-06-10 12:06 ` [PATCH v5 10/10] x86/asm/lib: Fix asmvalidate warnings for rwsem.S Josh Poimboeuf
2015-06-10 12:16 ` [PATCH v5 00/10] x86/asm: Compile-time asm code validation Josh Poimboeuf
2015-06-10 13:08 ` Andi Kleen
2015-06-10 13:52   ` Josh Poimboeuf [this message]
2015-06-10 14:11     ` Andi Kleen
2015-06-10 14:32       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2015-06-10 15:04         ` Andi Kleen
2015-06-10 15:31           ` Josh Poimboeuf
2015-06-10 16:50             ` Josh Poimboeuf
2015-06-10 18:41               ` Andi Kleen
2015-06-10 19:43                 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2015-06-10 18:40             ` Andi Kleen
2015-06-10 19:36               ` Josh Poimboeuf
2015-06-10 19:38                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-06-10 19:51                   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2015-06-10 13:42 ` Pavel Machek
2015-06-10 14:20   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2015-06-10 18:24 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-06-10 20:26   ` Josh Poimboeuf

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