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From: Brian Norris <computersforpeace@gmail.com>
To: Stefan Agner <stefan@agner.ch>
Cc: Boris Brezillon <boris.brezillon@free-electrons.com>,
	Bill Pringlemeir <bpringle@sympatico.ca>,
	dwmw2@infradead.org, sebastian@breakpoint.cc, robh+dt@kernel.org,
	pawel.moll@arm.com, mark.rutland@arm.com,
	ijc+devicetree@hellion.org.uk, galak@codeaurora.org,
	shawn.guo@linaro.org, kernel@pengutronix.de, marb@ixxat.de,
	aaron@tastycactus.com, bpringlemeir@gmail.com,
	linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org, devicetree@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, albert.aribaud@3adev.fr,
	klimov.linux@gmail.com, Bill Pringlemeir <bpringlemeir@nbsps.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v10 3/5] mtd: nand: vf610_nfc: add device tree bindings
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 14:28:42 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150826212842.GT81844@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <56589547ed623481ca2b94ff364d6434@agner.ch>

On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 02:15:45PM -0700, Stefan Agner wrote:
> On 2015-08-26 08:39, Boris Brezillon wrote:
> > On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 11:26:36 -0400
> > Bill Pringlemeir <bpringle@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >> These would apply per chip, but the controller has to be configured to
> >> support each and every one.  Every time an operation was performed, we
> >> would have to check the chip type and reconfigure the controller.
> >> Currently, the driver does not support this and it would add a lot of
> >> overhead in some cases unless a register cache was used.
> >>
> >> Is the flexibility of using a system with combined 8/16bit devices
> >> really worth all the overhead?  Isn't it sort of brain dead hardware not
> >> to make all of the chips similar?  Why would everyone have to pay for
> >> such a crazy setup?
> >>
> >> To separate it would at least be a lie versus the code in the current
> >> form.  As well, there are only a few SOC which support multiple chip
> >> selects.  The 'multi-CS' register bits of this controller varies between
> >> PowerPC, 68K/Coldfire and ARM platforms.
> 
> The DT can be a lie versus the code. The DT should reflect how the
> hardware is wired, afaik, if we take shortcuts in the driver code, that
> is fine. If we don't support a certain configuration right now (e.g.
> second NAND chip), the driver can just return an appropriate error code.

Right, I was only asking for:
(1) a more accurate DT and
(2) clarity in the driver; the clarity might just be "we don't support
    multi-CS"

> >> I looked briefly at the brcmnand.c  and it seems that it is not
> >> supporting different ECC per chip even though the nodes are broken out
> >> this way.  In fact, if some raw functions are called, I think it will
> >> put it in ECC mode even if it wasn't before?  Well, I agree that this
> >> would be good generically, I think it puts a lot of effort in the
> >> drivers for not so much payoff?
> > 
> > Hm, the sunxi driver supports it, and it does not add such a big
> > overhead...
> > The only thing you have to do is cache a bunch of register values
> > per-chip and restore/apply them when the chip is selected
> > (in your ->select_chip() implementation).
> > 
> > Anyway, even if the suggested DT representation is a lie in regards to
> > your implementation, it's actually pretty accurate from an hardware
> > POV, and this is exactly what DT is supposed to represent.
> 
> I agree with both of you. I don't see much value implementing multi-NAND
> chip support, especially with different configurations, at the moment. I
> am not aware of any hardware making use of that now.
> 
> I will update the driver to parse a NAND sub node and get the ECC
> properties from the per flash configuration. However, I won't add chip
> select or multi-NAND support right now...
> 
> Any objection?

Nope, sounds good to me.

A few tips:
 * be defensive; i.e., error out if someone specifies 2 flash in the DT
 * use the 'reg' property to be the addressing index in the flash
   sub-node; i.e., the chip-select. This fits the practice done by most
   others, I think.

Regards,
Brian

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: computersforpeace@gmail.com (Brian Norris)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH v10 3/5] mtd: nand: vf610_nfc: add device tree bindings
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 14:28:42 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150826212842.GT81844@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <56589547ed623481ca2b94ff364d6434@agner.ch>

On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 02:15:45PM -0700, Stefan Agner wrote:
> On 2015-08-26 08:39, Boris Brezillon wrote:
> > On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 11:26:36 -0400
> > Bill Pringlemeir <bpringle@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >> These would apply per chip, but the controller has to be configured to
> >> support each and every one.  Every time an operation was performed, we
> >> would have to check the chip type and reconfigure the controller.
> >> Currently, the driver does not support this and it would add a lot of
> >> overhead in some cases unless a register cache was used.
> >>
> >> Is the flexibility of using a system with combined 8/16bit devices
> >> really worth all the overhead?  Isn't it sort of brain dead hardware not
> >> to make all of the chips similar?  Why would everyone have to pay for
> >> such a crazy setup?
> >>
> >> To separate it would at least be a lie versus the code in the current
> >> form.  As well, there are only a few SOC which support multiple chip
> >> selects.  The 'multi-CS' register bits of this controller varies between
> >> PowerPC, 68K/Coldfire and ARM platforms.
> 
> The DT can be a lie versus the code. The DT should reflect how the
> hardware is wired, afaik, if we take shortcuts in the driver code, that
> is fine. If we don't support a certain configuration right now (e.g.
> second NAND chip), the driver can just return an appropriate error code.

Right, I was only asking for:
(1) a more accurate DT and
(2) clarity in the driver; the clarity might just be "we don't support
    multi-CS"

> >> I looked briefly at the brcmnand.c  and it seems that it is not
> >> supporting different ECC per chip even though the nodes are broken out
> >> this way.  In fact, if some raw functions are called, I think it will
> >> put it in ECC mode even if it wasn't before?  Well, I agree that this
> >> would be good generically, I think it puts a lot of effort in the
> >> drivers for not so much payoff?
> > 
> > Hm, the sunxi driver supports it, and it does not add such a big
> > overhead...
> > The only thing you have to do is cache a bunch of register values
> > per-chip and restore/apply them when the chip is selected
> > (in your ->select_chip() implementation).
> > 
> > Anyway, even if the suggested DT representation is a lie in regards to
> > your implementation, it's actually pretty accurate from an hardware
> > POV, and this is exactly what DT is supposed to represent.
> 
> I agree with both of you. I don't see much value implementing multi-NAND
> chip support, especially with different configurations, at the moment. I
> am not aware of any hardware making use of that now.
> 
> I will update the driver to parse a NAND sub node and get the ECC
> properties from the per flash configuration. However, I won't add chip
> select or multi-NAND support right now...
> 
> Any objection?

Nope, sounds good to me.

A few tips:
 * be defensive; i.e., error out if someone specifies 2 flash in the DT
 * use the 'reg' property to be the addressing index in the flash
   sub-node; i.e., the chip-select. This fits the practice done by most
   others, I think.

Regards,
Brian

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Brian Norris <computersforpeace-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
To: Stefan Agner <stefan-XLVq0VzYD2Y@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Boris Brezillon
	<boris.brezillon-wi1+55ScJUtKEb57/3fJTNBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>,
	Bill Pringlemeir
	<bpringle-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org>,
	dwmw2-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org,
	sebastian-E0PNVn5OA6ohrxcnuTQ+TQ@public.gmane.org,
	robh+dt-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org,
	pawel.moll-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org,
	mark.rutland-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org,
	ijc+devicetree-KcIKpvwj1kUDXYZnReoRVg@public.gmane.org,
	galak-sgV2jX0FEOL9JmXXK+q4OQ@public.gmane.org,
	shawn.guo-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org,
	kernel-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org,
	marb-Z4QKGCRq86k@public.gmane.org,
	aaron-yuhzfaV+M/Wz3Dx2OeFgIA@public.gmane.org,
	bpringlemeir-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org,
	linux-mtd-IAPFreCvJWM7uuMidbF8XUB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org,
	devicetree-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-arm-kernel-IAPFreCvJWM7uuMidbF8XUB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	albert.aribaud-iEu9NFBzPZE@public.gmane.org,
	klimov.linux-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org,
	Bill Pringlemeir
	<bpringlemeir-ygJ1pmMJ17cAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v10 3/5] mtd: nand: vf610_nfc: add device tree bindings
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 14:28:42 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150826212842.GT81844@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <56589547ed623481ca2b94ff364d6434-XLVq0VzYD2Y@public.gmane.org>

On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 02:15:45PM -0700, Stefan Agner wrote:
> On 2015-08-26 08:39, Boris Brezillon wrote:
> > On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 11:26:36 -0400
> > Bill Pringlemeir <bpringle-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> >> These would apply per chip, but the controller has to be configured to
> >> support each and every one.  Every time an operation was performed, we
> >> would have to check the chip type and reconfigure the controller.
> >> Currently, the driver does not support this and it would add a lot of
> >> overhead in some cases unless a register cache was used.
> >>
> >> Is the flexibility of using a system with combined 8/16bit devices
> >> really worth all the overhead?  Isn't it sort of brain dead hardware not
> >> to make all of the chips similar?  Why would everyone have to pay for
> >> such a crazy setup?
> >>
> >> To separate it would at least be a lie versus the code in the current
> >> form.  As well, there are only a few SOC which support multiple chip
> >> selects.  The 'multi-CS' register bits of this controller varies between
> >> PowerPC, 68K/Coldfire and ARM platforms.
> 
> The DT can be a lie versus the code. The DT should reflect how the
> hardware is wired, afaik, if we take shortcuts in the driver code, that
> is fine. If we don't support a certain configuration right now (e.g.
> second NAND chip), the driver can just return an appropriate error code.

Right, I was only asking for:
(1) a more accurate DT and
(2) clarity in the driver; the clarity might just be "we don't support
    multi-CS"

> >> I looked briefly at the brcmnand.c  and it seems that it is not
> >> supporting different ECC per chip even though the nodes are broken out
> >> this way.  In fact, if some raw functions are called, I think it will
> >> put it in ECC mode even if it wasn't before?  Well, I agree that this
> >> would be good generically, I think it puts a lot of effort in the
> >> drivers for not so much payoff?
> > 
> > Hm, the sunxi driver supports it, and it does not add such a big
> > overhead...
> > The only thing you have to do is cache a bunch of register values
> > per-chip and restore/apply them when the chip is selected
> > (in your ->select_chip() implementation).
> > 
> > Anyway, even if the suggested DT representation is a lie in regards to
> > your implementation, it's actually pretty accurate from an hardware
> > POV, and this is exactly what DT is supposed to represent.
> 
> I agree with both of you. I don't see much value implementing multi-NAND
> chip support, especially with different configurations, at the moment. I
> am not aware of any hardware making use of that now.
> 
> I will update the driver to parse a NAND sub node and get the ECC
> properties from the per flash configuration. However, I won't add chip
> select or multi-NAND support right now...
> 
> Any objection?

Nope, sounds good to me.

A few tips:
 * be defensive; i.e., error out if someone specifies 2 flash in the DT
 * use the 'reg' property to be the addressing index in the flash
   sub-node; i.e., the chip-select. This fits the practice done by most
   others, I think.

Regards,
Brian
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  reply	other threads:[~2015-08-26 21:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-08-03  9:27 [PATCH v10 0/5] mtd: nand: vf610_nfc: Freescale NFC for VF610 Stefan Agner
2015-08-03  9:27 ` Stefan Agner
2015-08-03  9:27 ` Stefan Agner
2015-08-03  9:27 ` [PATCH v10 1/5] mtd: nand: vf610_nfc: Freescale NFC for VF610, MPC5125 and others Stefan Agner
2015-08-03  9:27   ` Stefan Agner
2015-08-25 20:16   ` Brian Norris
2015-08-25 20:16     ` Brian Norris
2015-08-27  1:02     ` Stefan Agner
2015-08-27  1:02       ` Stefan Agner
2015-08-27 16:34       ` Brian Norris
2015-08-27 16:34         ` Brian Norris
2015-08-27 16:34         ` Brian Norris
2015-08-27 17:25         ` Stefan Agner
2015-08-27 17:25           ` Stefan Agner
2015-08-27 17:25           ` Stefan Agner
2015-08-25 20:34   ` Brian Norris
2015-08-25 20:34     ` Brian Norris
2015-08-25 20:34     ` Brian Norris
2015-08-27  1:10     ` Stefan Agner
2015-08-27  1:10       ` Stefan Agner
2015-08-27  1:10       ` Stefan Agner
2015-08-27 16:47       ` Brian Norris
2015-08-27 16:47         ` Brian Norris
2015-08-03  9:27 ` [PATCH v10 2/5] mtd: nand: vf610_nfc: add hardware BCH-ECC support Stefan Agner
2015-08-03  9:27   ` Stefan Agner
2015-08-03  9:27   ` Stefan Agner
2015-08-03  9:28   ` Stefan Agner
2015-08-03  9:28     ` Stefan Agner
2015-08-25 19:54     ` Brian Norris
2015-08-25 19:54       ` Brian Norris
2015-08-25 19:54       ` Brian Norris
2015-08-25 20:43       ` Boris Brezillon
2015-08-25 20:43         ` Boris Brezillon
2015-08-26 17:57       ` Stefan Agner
2015-08-26 17:57         ` Stefan Agner
2015-08-26 21:34         ` Brian Norris
2015-08-26 21:34           ` Brian Norris
2015-08-28 21:14           ` Bill Pringlemeir
2015-08-28 21:14             ` Bill Pringlemeir
2015-08-28 21:14             ` Bill Pringlemeir
2015-08-03  9:27 ` [PATCH v10 3/5] mtd: nand: vf610_nfc: add device tree bindings Stefan Agner
2015-08-03  9:27   ` Stefan Agner
2015-08-03  9:27   ` Stefan Agner
2015-08-25 20:25   ` Brian Norris
2015-08-25 20:25     ` Brian Norris
2015-08-25 20:25     ` Brian Norris
2015-08-26 15:26     ` Bill Pringlemeir
2015-08-26 15:26       ` Bill Pringlemeir
2015-08-26 15:26       ` Bill Pringlemeir
2015-08-26 15:39       ` Boris Brezillon
2015-08-26 15:39         ` Boris Brezillon
2015-08-26 15:39         ` Boris Brezillon
2015-08-26 21:15         ` Stefan Agner
2015-08-26 21:15           ` Stefan Agner
2015-08-26 21:15           ` Stefan Agner
2015-08-26 21:28           ` Brian Norris [this message]
2015-08-26 21:28             ` Brian Norris
2015-08-26 21:28             ` Brian Norris
2015-08-03  9:27 ` [PATCH v10 4/5] ARM: dts: vf610twr: add NAND flash controller peripherial Stefan Agner
2015-08-03  9:27   ` Stefan Agner
2015-08-03  9:27 ` [PATCH v10 5/5] ARM: dts: vf-colibri: enable NAND flash controller Stefan Agner
2015-08-03  9:27   ` Stefan Agner
2015-08-03 10:35 ` [PATCH v10 0/5] mtd: nand: vf610_nfc: Freescale NFC for VF610 Albert ARIBAUD
2015-08-03 10:35   ` Albert ARIBAUD

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