From: Josh Triplett <josh-iaAMLnmF4UmaiuxdJuQwMA@public.gmane.org>
To: Mathieu Desnoyers
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Subject: Re: [PATCH] kselftest: replace $(RM) with rm -f command
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2015 10:55:28 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20151003175528.GA4455@x> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1486799898.16862.1443881517178.JavaMail.zimbra-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
On Sat, Oct 03, 2015 at 02:11:57PM +0000, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
> ----- On Oct 3, 2015, at 12:38 AM, dvhart dvhart-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 03:16:53AM +0000, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
> >> ----- On Sep 27, 2015, at 10:10 PM, Wang Long long.wanglong-hv44wF8Li93QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org wrote:
> >>
> >> > Some test's Makefile using "$(RM)" while the other's
> >> > using "rm -f". It is better to use one of them in all
> >> > tests.
> >>
> >> I agree that this disparity appears to be unwanted. We
> >> should settle on one or the other.
> >>
> >> >
> >> > "rm -f" is better, because it is less magic, and everyone
> >> > konws what is does.
> >>
> >> "$(RM)" is clearly defined as a Makefile implicit variable
> >> which defaults to "rm -f".
> >> Ref. https://www.gnu.org/software/make/manual/html_node/Implicit-Variables.html
> >>
> >> Leaving it as a variable is more flexible because then the
> >> default behavior can be overridden if need be, which is
> >> not the case of a hardcoded "rm -f".
> >>
> >> Following your line of argumentation, we should then
> >> invoke "gcc" directly in every Makefile because it is
> >> less magic than "$(CC)". This makes no sense.
> >
> > I don't think they can be compared so simply. Specifying a compiler is a common
> > use case. Customizing the rm command is not, in my experience anyway, and like
> > Michael, I would definately have to look up what RM means.
> >
> > That said, I care more about consistency than which is used. Both are valid, but
> > $(RM), while more flexible, will cost more people time to look up what it does
> > as it isn't commonly used than any benefit we're likely to see from its use.
> >
> > Meh. :-)
>
> An example is "grm" when you install the opencsw repository
> packages on Solaris. In the unlikely example where someone
> would have a Solaris machine to build Linux, overriding
> various command names, including "rm", can be useful. This
> is just one example, there are probably others.
Does Solaris rm not support -f?
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>
To: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>
Cc: dvhart <dvhart@infradead.org>,
Wang Long <long.wanglong@huawei.com>,
shuahkh@osg.samsung.com, Michael Ellerman <mpe@ellerman.id.au>,
keescook@chromium.org, davem@davemloft.net, luto@amacapital.net,
wad@chromium.org, Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
gorcunov <gorcunov@openvz.org>,
cov@codeaurora.org, bobby prani <bobby.prani@gmail.com>,
tyler baker <tyler.baker@linaro.org>,
Tim Bird <tim.bird@sonymobile.com>,
Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
andrej skvortzov <andrej.skvortzov@gmail.com>,
sjayaram <sjayaram@akamai.com>,
treding@nvidia.com, Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
naresh kamboju <naresh.kamboju@linaro.org>,
alexey kodanev <alexey.kodanev@oracle.com>,
linux-api <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, wanglong <wanglong@laoqinren.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] kselftest: replace $(RM) with rm -f command
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2015 10:55:28 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20151003175528.GA4455@x> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1486799898.16862.1443881517178.JavaMail.zimbra@efficios.com>
On Sat, Oct 03, 2015 at 02:11:57PM +0000, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
> ----- On Oct 3, 2015, at 12:38 AM, dvhart dvhart@infradead.org wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 03:16:53AM +0000, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
> >> ----- On Sep 27, 2015, at 10:10 PM, Wang Long long.wanglong@huawei.com wrote:
> >>
> >> > Some test's Makefile using "$(RM)" while the other's
> >> > using "rm -f". It is better to use one of them in all
> >> > tests.
> >>
> >> I agree that this disparity appears to be unwanted. We
> >> should settle on one or the other.
> >>
> >> >
> >> > "rm -f" is better, because it is less magic, and everyone
> >> > konws what is does.
> >>
> >> "$(RM)" is clearly defined as a Makefile implicit variable
> >> which defaults to "rm -f".
> >> Ref. https://www.gnu.org/software/make/manual/html_node/Implicit-Variables.html
> >>
> >> Leaving it as a variable is more flexible because then the
> >> default behavior can be overridden if need be, which is
> >> not the case of a hardcoded "rm -f".
> >>
> >> Following your line of argumentation, we should then
> >> invoke "gcc" directly in every Makefile because it is
> >> less magic than "$(CC)". This makes no sense.
> >
> > I don't think they can be compared so simply. Specifying a compiler is a common
> > use case. Customizing the rm command is not, in my experience anyway, and like
> > Michael, I would definately have to look up what RM means.
> >
> > That said, I care more about consistency than which is used. Both are valid, but
> > $(RM), while more flexible, will cost more people time to look up what it does
> > as it isn't commonly used than any benefit we're likely to see from its use.
> >
> > Meh. :-)
>
> An example is "grm" when you install the opencsw repository
> packages on Solaris. In the unlikely example where someone
> would have a Solaris machine to build Linux, overriding
> various command names, including "rm", can be useful. This
> is just one example, there are probably others.
Does Solaris rm not support -f?
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-10-03 17:55 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-09-23 9:40 [PATCH] kselftest: using built-in rule when delete file Wang Long
2015-09-24 1:46 ` Michael Ellerman
2015-09-24 2:05 ` long.wanglong
2015-09-24 2:07 ` Michael Ellerman
2015-09-25 15:44 ` Darren Hart
2015-09-28 2:03 ` long.wanglong
2015-09-28 2:10 ` [PATCH] kselftest: replace $(RM) with rm -f command Wang Long
2015-09-28 2:10 ` Wang Long
[not found] ` <1443406217-137773-1-git-send-email-long.wanglong-hv44wF8Li93QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-09-28 3:16 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2015-09-28 3:16 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2015-09-28 5:11 ` Cam Hutchison
[not found] ` <1201012824.5792.1443410213729.JavaMail.zimbra-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2015-09-29 9:57 ` Michael Ellerman
2015-09-29 9:57 ` Michael Ellerman
[not found] ` <1443520665.11041.1.camel-Gsx/Oe8HsFggBc27wqDAHg@public.gmane.org>
2015-09-29 11:21 ` [PATCH] kselftest: replace rm -f command with $(RM) Wang Long
2015-09-29 11:21 ` Wang Long
2015-09-29 17:45 ` [PATCH] kselftest: replace $(RM) with rm -f command Kees Cook
2015-09-29 17:45 ` Kees Cook
2015-10-03 4:38 ` Darren Hart
2015-10-03 4:38 ` Darren Hart
2015-10-03 14:11 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
[not found] ` <1486799898.16862.1443881517178.JavaMail.zimbra-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2015-10-03 17:55 ` Josh Triplett [this message]
2015-10-03 17:55 ` Josh Triplett
2015-10-03 18:05 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2015-09-28 7:26 ` Yuan Sun
2015-09-28 7:26 ` Yuan Sun
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