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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mingo@kernel.org,
	jiangshanlai@gmail.com, dipankar@in.ibm.com,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com,
	josh@joshtriplett.org, tglx@linutronix.de, rostedt@goodmis.org,
	dhowells@redhat.com, edumazet@google.com, dvhart@linux.intel.com,
	fweisbec@gmail.com, oleg@redhat.com, bobby.prani@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH tip/core/rcu 02/18] rcu: Move rcu_report_exp_rnp() to allow consolidation
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2015 16:40:24 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20151007144024.GI17308@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20151007143325.GF3910@linux.vnet.ibm.com>

On Wed, Oct 07, 2015 at 07:33:25AM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > I'm sure you know what that means, but I've no clue ;-) That is, I
> > wouldn't know where to start looking in the RCU implementation to verify
> > the barrier is either needed or sufficient. Unless you mean _everywhere_
> > :-)
> 
> Pretty much everywhere.
> 
> Let's take the usual RCU removal pattern as an example:
> 
> 	void f1(struct foo *p)
> 	{
> 		list_del_rcu(p);
> 		synchronize_rcu_expedited();
> 		kfree(p);
> 	}
> 
> 	void f2(void)
> 	{
> 		struct foo *p;
> 
> 		list_for_each_entry_rcu(p, &my_head, next)
> 			do_something_with(p);
> 	}
> 
> So the synchronize_rcu_expedited() acts as an extremely heavyweight
> memory barrier that pairs with the rcu_dereference() inside of
> list_for_each_entry_rcu().  Easy enough, right?
> 
> But what exactly within synchronize_rcu_expedited() provides the
> ordering?  The answer is a web of lock-based critical sections and
> explicit memory barriers, with the one you called out as needing
> a comment being one of them.

Right, but seeing there's possible implementations of sync_rcu(_exp)*()
that do not have the whole rcu_node tree like thing, there's more to
this particular barrier than the semantics of sync_rcu().

Some implementation choice requires this barrier upgrade -- and in
another email I suggest its the whole tree thing, we need to firmly
establish the state of one level before propagating the state up etc.

Now I'm not entirely sure this is fully correct, but its the best I
could come up.

  reply	other threads:[~2015-10-07 14:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-10-06 16:29 [PATCH tip/core/rcu 0/18] Expedited grace-period improvements for 4.4 Paul E. McKenney
2015-10-06 16:29 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 01/18] rcu: Use rsp->expedited_wq instead of sync_rcu_preempt_exp_wq Paul E. McKenney
2015-10-06 16:29   ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 02/18] rcu: Move rcu_report_exp_rnp() to allow consolidation Paul E. McKenney
2015-10-06 20:29     ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-10-06 20:58       ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-10-07  7:51         ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-10-07  8:42           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2015-10-07 11:01             ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-10-07 11:50               ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-10-07 12:03                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-10-07 12:05                 ` kbuild test robot
2015-10-07 12:09                 ` kbuild test robot
2015-10-07 12:11                 ` kbuild test robot
2015-10-07 12:17                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-10-07 13:44                     ` [kbuild-all] " Fengguang Wu
2015-10-07 13:55                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-10-07 14:21                         ` Fengguang Wu
2015-10-07 14:28                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-10-07 15:18                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-10-08 10:24                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-10-07 15:15               ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-10-07 14:33           ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-10-07 14:40             ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2015-10-07 16:48               ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-10-08  9:49                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-10-08 15:33                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-10-08 17:12                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-10-08 17:46                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-10-09  0:10                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-10-09  8:44                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-10-06 16:29   ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 03/18] rcu: Consolidate tree setup for synchronize_rcu_expedited() Paul E. McKenney
2015-10-06 16:29   ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 04/18] rcu: Use single-stage IPI algorithm for RCU expedited grace period Paul E. McKenney
2015-10-07 13:24     ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-10-07 18:11       ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-10-07 13:35     ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-10-07 15:44       ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-10-07 13:43     ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-10-07 13:49       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-10-07 16:14         ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-10-08  9:00           ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-10-07 16:13       ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-10-06 16:29   ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 05/18] rcu: Move synchronize_sched_expedited() to combining tree Paul E. McKenney
2015-10-06 16:29   ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 06/18] rcu: Rename qs_pending to core_needs_qs Paul E. McKenney
2015-10-06 16:29   ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 07/18] rcu: Invert passed_quiesce and rename to cpu_no_qs Paul E. McKenney
2015-10-06 16:29   ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 08/18] rcu: Make ->cpu_no_qs be a union for aggregate OR Paul E. McKenney
2015-10-06 16:29   ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 09/18] rcu: Switch synchronize_sched_expedited() to IPI Paul E. McKenney
2015-10-07 14:18     ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-10-07 16:24       ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-10-06 16:29   ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 10/18] rcu: Stop silencing lockdep false positive for expedited grace periods Paul E. McKenney
2015-10-06 16:29   ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 11/18] rcu: Stop excluding CPU hotplug in synchronize_sched_expedited() Paul E. McKenney
2015-10-06 16:29   ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 12/18] cpu: Remove try_get_online_cpus() Paul E. McKenney
2015-10-06 16:29   ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 13/18] rcu: Prepare for consolidating expedited CPU selection Paul E. McKenney
2015-10-06 16:29   ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 14/18] rcu: Consolidate " Paul E. McKenney
2015-10-06 16:29   ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 15/18] rcu: Add online/offline info to expedited stall warning message Paul E. McKenney
2015-10-06 16:29   ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 16/18] rcu: Add tasks to expedited stall-warning messages Paul E. McKenney
2015-10-06 16:29   ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 17/18] rcu: Enable stall warnings for synchronize_rcu_expedited() Paul E. McKenney
2015-10-06 16:29   ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 18/18] rcu: Better hotplug handling for synchronize_sched_expedited() Paul E. McKenney
2015-10-07 14:26     ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-10-07 16:26       ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-10-08  9:01         ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-10-08 15:06           ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-10-08 15:12             ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-10-08 15:19               ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-10-08 18:01                 ` Josh Triplett
2015-10-09  0:11                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-10-09  0:48                     ` Josh Triplett
2015-10-09  3:54                       ` Paul E. McKenney

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