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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: Avi Kivity <avi-VrcmuVmyx1hWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 2/2] vfio: Include no-iommu mode
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 12:19:54 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20151011091954.GA27451@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <561A25D5.6020906-VrcmuVmyx1hWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>

On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 12:03:17PM +0300, Avi Kivity wrote:
> 
> 
> On 10/11/2015 11:57 AM, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> >On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 11:12:14AM +0300, Avi Kivity wrote:
> >>>   Mixing no-iommu and secure VFIO is
> >>>also unsupported, as are any VFIO IOMMU backends other than the
> >>>vfio-noiommu backend.  Furthermore, unsafe group files are relocated
> >>>to /dev/vfio-noiommu/.  Upon successful loading in this mode, the
> >>>kernel is tainted due to the dummy IOMMU put in place.  Unloading of
> >>>the module in this mode is also unsupported and will BUG due to the
> >>>lack of support for unregistering an IOMMU for a bus type.
> >>I did not see an API for detecting whether memory translation is provided or
> >>not.  We can have the caller guess this by looking at the device name, or by
> >>requiring the user to specify this, but I think it's cleaner to provide
> >>programmatic access to this attribute.
> >It seems that caller can just check for VFIO_NOIOMMU_IOMMU.
> >
> >Isn't this why it's there?
> 
> That's just means the capability is there, not that it's active.

Well it's currently exactly the same.
I guess you can check the return value of VFIO_SET_IOMMU as well.

> But since you must pass the same value to open(), you already know that
> you're using noiommu.
> 
> >VFIO_IOMMU_MAP_DMA, VFIO_IOMMU_ENABLE and VFIO_IOMMU_DISABLE
> >will probably also fail ...
> >
> 
> Don't you have to call MAP_DMA to pin the memory?

Well check it out - the patch in question doesn't implement this ioctl.
In fact it doesn't implement anything except CHECK_EXTENSION.

And this makes sense to me: MAP_DMA
maps a virtual address to io address, and that doesn't
work for the dummy iommu.

You can pin memory using many other ways, including
mlock and hugetlbfs.

-- 
MST

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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@scylladb.com>
Cc: Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>,
	avi@cloudius-systems.com, gleb@scylladb.com, corbet@lwn.net,
	bruce.richardson@intel.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	alexander.duyck@gmail.com, gleb@cloudius-systems.com,
	stephen@networkplumber.org, vladz@cloudius-systems.com,
	iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org, hjk@hansjkoch.de,
	gregkh@linuxfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 2/2] vfio: Include no-iommu mode
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 12:19:54 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20151011091954.GA27451@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <561A25D5.6020906@scylladb.com>

On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 12:03:17PM +0300, Avi Kivity wrote:
> 
> 
> On 10/11/2015 11:57 AM, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> >On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 11:12:14AM +0300, Avi Kivity wrote:
> >>>   Mixing no-iommu and secure VFIO is
> >>>also unsupported, as are any VFIO IOMMU backends other than the
> >>>vfio-noiommu backend.  Furthermore, unsafe group files are relocated
> >>>to /dev/vfio-noiommu/.  Upon successful loading in this mode, the
> >>>kernel is tainted due to the dummy IOMMU put in place.  Unloading of
> >>>the module in this mode is also unsupported and will BUG due to the
> >>>lack of support for unregistering an IOMMU for a bus type.
> >>I did not see an API for detecting whether memory translation is provided or
> >>not.  We can have the caller guess this by looking at the device name, or by
> >>requiring the user to specify this, but I think it's cleaner to provide
> >>programmatic access to this attribute.
> >It seems that caller can just check for VFIO_NOIOMMU_IOMMU.
> >
> >Isn't this why it's there?
> 
> That's just means the capability is there, not that it's active.

Well it's currently exactly the same.
I guess you can check the return value of VFIO_SET_IOMMU as well.

> But since you must pass the same value to open(), you already know that
> you're using noiommu.
> 
> >VFIO_IOMMU_MAP_DMA, VFIO_IOMMU_ENABLE and VFIO_IOMMU_DISABLE
> >will probably also fail ...
> >
> 
> Don't you have to call MAP_DMA to pin the memory?

Well check it out - the patch in question doesn't implement this ioctl.
In fact it doesn't implement anything except CHECK_EXTENSION.

And this makes sense to me: MAP_DMA
maps a virtual address to io address, and that doesn't
work for the dummy iommu.

You can pin memory using many other ways, including
mlock and hugetlbfs.

-- 
MST

  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-10-11  9:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-10-09 18:40 [RFC PATCH 0/2] VFIO no-iommu Alex Williamson
2015-10-09 18:40 ` Alex Williamson
     [not found] ` <20151009182228.14752.99700.stgit-GCcqpEzw8uZBDLzU/O5InQ@public.gmane.org>
2015-10-09 18:41   ` [RFC PATCH 1/2] vfio: Move vfio.c vfio_core.c Alex Williamson
2015-10-09 18:41     ` Alex Williamson
     [not found]     ` <20151009184103.14752.5250.stgit-GCcqpEzw8uZBDLzU/O5InQ@public.gmane.org>
2015-10-09 19:21       ` Greg KH
2015-10-09 19:21         ` Greg KH
2015-10-09 18:41   ` [RFC PATCH 2/2] vfio: Include no-iommu mode Alex Williamson
2015-10-09 18:41     ` Alex Williamson
2015-10-11  8:12     ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]       ` <561A19DE.8040302-VrcmuVmyx1hWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2015-10-11  8:57         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-11  8:57           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-11  9:03           ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]             ` <561A25D5.6020906-VrcmuVmyx1hWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2015-10-11  9:19               ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2015-10-11  9:19                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-11  9:23                 ` Gleb Natapov
2015-10-11 21:16         ` Alex Williamson
2015-10-11 21:16           ` Alex Williamson
2015-10-12 15:56     ` Stephen Hemminger
2015-10-12 16:23       ` Alex Williamson
     [not found]         ` <1444666999.4059.362.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-10-12 16:31           ` Avi Kivity
2015-10-12 16:31             ` Avi Kivity
2015-10-12 16:27       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-12 16:27         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
     [not found]         ` <20151012191150-mutt-send-email-mst-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-10-12 17:46           ` Alex Williamson
2015-10-12 17:46             ` Alex Williamson
     [not found]             ` <1444672015.4059.380.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-10-12 18:08               ` Alex Williamson
2015-10-12 18:08                 ` Alex Williamson
2015-10-11 17:29   ` [RFC PATCH 0/2] VFIO no-iommu Varun Sethi
2015-10-11 17:29     ` Varun Sethi
     [not found]     ` <BN1PR0301MB0627AEEF3B5B7E5FB87ECB29EA320-RQSpjbwlmjSD1ymB6+i1+JwN6zqB+hSMnBOFsp37pqbUKgpGm//BTAC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2015-10-11 18:23       ` Alex Williamson
2015-10-11 18:23         ` Alex Williamson
2015-10-11 18:28   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-11 18:28     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
     [not found]     ` <20151011182809.GA8154-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-10-11 18:29       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-11 18:29         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
     [not found]         ` <20151011212852-mutt-send-email-mst-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-10-11 19:25           ` Alex Williamson
2015-10-11 19:25             ` Alex Williamson

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