From: Avi Kivity <avi-VrcmuVmyx1hWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
To: Alex Williamson
<alex.williamson-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
Stephen Hemminger
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 2/2] vfio: Include no-iommu mode
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 19:31:10 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <561BE04E.4030108@scylladb.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1444666999.4059.362.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
On 10/12/2015 07:23 PM, Alex Williamson wrote:
>> Also, although you think the long option will set the bar high
>> enough it probably will not satisfy anyone. It is annoying enough, that
>> I would just carry a patch to remove it the silly requirement.
>> And the the people who believe
>> all user mode DMA is evil won't be satisfied either.
> I find that many users blindly follow howtos and only sometimes do they
> question the options if they sound scary enough. So yeah, I would
> intend to make the option upstream sound scary enough for people to
> think twice about using it and maybe even read the description. That
> still doesn't prevent pasting it into modprobe.d and forgetting about
> it.
I think we need to allow for packages to work with this. I.e. drop
files into config directories rather than require editing of config
files. I think this is mostly workable via modprobe.d.
(for our own use case, we don't require the extreme performance of many
L2/L3 dpdk apps so we'll work with regular iommued vfio for bare-metal
installations and ship prebuilt virtual machine images for clouds, so it
doesn't matter that much to me).
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Avi Kivity <avi@scylladb.com>
To: Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>,
Stephen Hemminger <stephen@networkplumber.org>
Cc: avi@cloudius-systems.com, gleb@scylladb.com, corbet@lwn.net,
bruce.richardson@intel.com, mst@redhat.com,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, alexander.duyck@gmail.com,
gleb@cloudius-systems.com, vladz@cloudius-systems.com,
iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org, hjk@hansjkoch.de,
gregkh@linuxfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 2/2] vfio: Include no-iommu mode
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 19:31:10 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <561BE04E.4030108@scylladb.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1444666999.4059.362.camel@redhat.com>
On 10/12/2015 07:23 PM, Alex Williamson wrote:
>> Also, although you think the long option will set the bar high
>> enough it probably will not satisfy anyone. It is annoying enough, that
>> I would just carry a patch to remove it the silly requirement.
>> And the the people who believe
>> all user mode DMA is evil won't be satisfied either.
> I find that many users blindly follow howtos and only sometimes do they
> question the options if they sound scary enough. So yeah, I would
> intend to make the option upstream sound scary enough for people to
> think twice about using it and maybe even read the description. That
> still doesn't prevent pasting it into modprobe.d and forgetting about
> it.
I think we need to allow for packages to work with this. I.e. drop
files into config directories rather than require editing of config
files. I think this is mostly workable via modprobe.d.
(for our own use case, we don't require the extreme performance of many
L2/L3 dpdk apps so we'll work with regular iommued vfio for bare-metal
installations and ship prebuilt virtual machine images for clouds, so it
doesn't matter that much to me).
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-10-12 16:31 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-10-09 18:40 [RFC PATCH 0/2] VFIO no-iommu Alex Williamson
2015-10-09 18:40 ` Alex Williamson
[not found] ` <20151009182228.14752.99700.stgit-GCcqpEzw8uZBDLzU/O5InQ@public.gmane.org>
2015-10-09 18:41 ` [RFC PATCH 1/2] vfio: Move vfio.c vfio_core.c Alex Williamson
2015-10-09 18:41 ` Alex Williamson
[not found] ` <20151009184103.14752.5250.stgit-GCcqpEzw8uZBDLzU/O5InQ@public.gmane.org>
2015-10-09 19:21 ` Greg KH
2015-10-09 19:21 ` Greg KH
2015-10-09 18:41 ` [RFC PATCH 2/2] vfio: Include no-iommu mode Alex Williamson
2015-10-09 18:41 ` Alex Williamson
2015-10-11 8:12 ` Avi Kivity
[not found] ` <561A19DE.8040302-VrcmuVmyx1hWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2015-10-11 8:57 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-11 8:57 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-11 9:03 ` Avi Kivity
[not found] ` <561A25D5.6020906-VrcmuVmyx1hWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2015-10-11 9:19 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-11 9:19 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-11 9:23 ` Gleb Natapov
2015-10-11 21:16 ` Alex Williamson
2015-10-11 21:16 ` Alex Williamson
2015-10-12 15:56 ` Stephen Hemminger
2015-10-12 16:23 ` Alex Williamson
[not found] ` <1444666999.4059.362.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-10-12 16:31 ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2015-10-12 16:31 ` Avi Kivity
2015-10-12 16:27 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-12 16:27 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
[not found] ` <20151012191150-mutt-send-email-mst-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-10-12 17:46 ` Alex Williamson
2015-10-12 17:46 ` Alex Williamson
[not found] ` <1444672015.4059.380.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-10-12 18:08 ` Alex Williamson
2015-10-12 18:08 ` Alex Williamson
2015-10-11 17:29 ` [RFC PATCH 0/2] VFIO no-iommu Varun Sethi
2015-10-11 17:29 ` Varun Sethi
[not found] ` <BN1PR0301MB0627AEEF3B5B7E5FB87ECB29EA320-RQSpjbwlmjSD1ymB6+i1+JwN6zqB+hSMnBOFsp37pqbUKgpGm//BTAC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2015-10-11 18:23 ` Alex Williamson
2015-10-11 18:23 ` Alex Williamson
2015-10-11 18:28 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-11 18:28 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
[not found] ` <20151011182809.GA8154-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-10-11 18:29 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-11 18:29 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
[not found] ` <20151011212852-mutt-send-email-mst-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-10-11 19:25 ` Alex Williamson
2015-10-11 19:25 ` Alex Williamson
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