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From: Vinod Koul <vinod.koul-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
To: Lars-Peter Clausen <lars-Qo5EllUWu/uELgA04lAiVw@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Shawn Lin <shawn.lin-TNX95d0MmH7DzftRWevZcw@public.gmane.org>,
	Addy Ke <addy.ke-TNX95d0MmH7DzftRWevZcw@public.gmane.org>,
	Heiko Stuebner <heiko-4mtYJXux2i+zQB+pC5nmwQ@public.gmane.org>,
	alsa-devel-K7yf7f+aM1XWsZ/bQMPhNw@public.gmane.org,
	linux-rockchip-IAPFreCvJWM7uuMidbF8XUB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-spi-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Doug Anderson <dianders-F7+t8E8rja9g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>,
	Takashi Iwai <tiwai-IBi9RG/b67k@public.gmane.org>,
	dmaengine-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Mark Brown <broonie-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	Olof Johansson <olof-nZhT3qVonbNeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>,
	Sonny Rao <sonnyrao-F7+t8E8rja9g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-arm-kernel-IAPFreCvJWM7uuMidbF8XUB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [alsa-devel] [PATCH v5 06/10] dmaengine: add API for getting dma controller's quirk
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 16:23:10 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20151014105310.GQ27370@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <561629D6.9010702-Qo5EllUWu/uELgA04lAiVw@public.gmane.org>

On Thu, Oct 08, 2015 at 10:31:18AM +0200, Lars-Peter Clausen wrote:
> > Basically I agree not to expose dma's quirk to slave controllers...But, the
> > fact I mentioned on cover letter explain the reasons why I have to let slave
> > controllers know that they are working with a broken dma. It's a dilemma
> > that if we don't want that to be exposed(let slave controllers' driver get
> > the info via a API), we have t add broken quirk for all of them ,here and
> > there, which seems to be a disaster:(
> 
> The problem with this API is that it transports values with device specific
> meanings over a generic API. Which is generally speaking not a good idea
> because the consumer witch is supposed to be generic suddenly needs to know
> which provider it is talking to.
> 
> A better solution in this case typically is either introduce a generic API
> with generic values or a custom API with custom values, but don't mix the two.
> 
> > 
> > I would appreciate it if you could give me some suggestions at your earliest
> > convenience. :)
> 
> In this case I think the best way to handle this is not quirks, but rather
> expose the actual maximum burst size using the DMA capabilities API. Since
> supporting only a certain burst depth is not really a quirk. All hardware
> has a limit for this and for some it might be larger or smaller than for
> others and it might be the same IP core but the maximum size depends on some
> IP core parameters. So this should be discoverable.

yes that makes more sense than adding quirks, exposing the right values
which should be a readable property for driver will ensure it works on
system with/without quirks

-- 
~Vinod
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From: vinod.koul@intel.com (Vinod Koul)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [alsa-devel] [PATCH v5 06/10] dmaengine: add API for getting dma controller's quirk
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 16:23:10 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20151014105310.GQ27370@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <561629D6.9010702@metafoo.de>

On Thu, Oct 08, 2015 at 10:31:18AM +0200, Lars-Peter Clausen wrote:
> > Basically I agree not to expose dma's quirk to slave controllers...But, the
> > fact I mentioned on cover letter explain the reasons why I have to let slave
> > controllers know that they are working with a broken dma. It's a dilemma
> > that if we don't want that to be exposed(let slave controllers' driver get
> > the info via a API), we have t add broken quirk for all of them ,here and
> > there, which seems to be a disaster:(
> 
> The problem with this API is that it transports values with device specific
> meanings over a generic API. Which is generally speaking not a good idea
> because the consumer witch is supposed to be generic suddenly needs to know
> which provider it is talking to.
> 
> A better solution in this case typically is either introduce a generic API
> with generic values or a custom API with custom values, but don't mix the two.
> 
> > 
> > I would appreciate it if you could give me some suggestions at your earliest
> > convenience. :)
> 
> In this case I think the best way to handle this is not quirks, but rather
> expose the actual maximum burst size using the DMA capabilities API. Since
> supporting only a certain burst depth is not really a quirk. All hardware
> has a limit for this and for some it might be larger or smaller than for
> others and it might be the same IP core but the maximum size depends on some
> IP core parameters. So this should be discoverable.

yes that makes more sense than adding quirks, exposing the right values
which should be a readable property for driver will ensure it works on
system with/without quirks

-- 
~Vinod

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Vinod Koul <vinod.koul@intel.com>
To: Lars-Peter Clausen <lars@metafoo.de>
Cc: Shawn Lin <shawn.lin@rock-chips.com>,
	Addy Ke <addy.ke@rock-chips.com>,
	Heiko Stuebner <heiko@sntech.de>,
	alsa-devel@alsa-project.org, linux-rockchip@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-spi@vger.kernel.org,
	Doug Anderson <dianders@chromium.org>,
	Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.com>,
	dmaengine@vger.kernel.org, Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>,
	Olof Johansson <olof@lixom.net>,
	Sonny Rao <sonnyrao@chromium.org>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [alsa-devel] [PATCH v5 06/10] dmaengine: add API for getting dma controller's quirk
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 16:23:10 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20151014105310.GQ27370@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <561629D6.9010702@metafoo.de>

On Thu, Oct 08, 2015 at 10:31:18AM +0200, Lars-Peter Clausen wrote:
> > Basically I agree not to expose dma's quirk to slave controllers...But, the
> > fact I mentioned on cover letter explain the reasons why I have to let slave
> > controllers know that they are working with a broken dma. It's a dilemma
> > that if we don't want that to be exposed(let slave controllers' driver get
> > the info via a API), we have t add broken quirk for all of them ,here and
> > there, which seems to be a disaster:(
> 
> The problem with this API is that it transports values with device specific
> meanings over a generic API. Which is generally speaking not a good idea
> because the consumer witch is supposed to be generic suddenly needs to know
> which provider it is talking to.
> 
> A better solution in this case typically is either introduce a generic API
> with generic values or a custom API with custom values, but don't mix the two.
> 
> > 
> > I would appreciate it if you could give me some suggestions at your earliest
> > convenience. :)
> 
> In this case I think the best way to handle this is not quirks, but rather
> expose the actual maximum burst size using the DMA capabilities API. Since
> supporting only a certain burst depth is not really a quirk. All hardware
> has a limit for this and for some it might be larger or smaller than for
> others and it might be the same IP core but the maximum size depends on some
> IP core parameters. So this should be discoverable.

yes that makes more sense than adding quirks, exposing the right values
which should be a readable property for driver will ensure it works on
system with/without quirks

-- 
~Vinod

  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-10-14 10:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-09-13 23:45 [PATCH v5 0/10] Fix broken DMAFLUSHP on Rockchips platform Shawn Lin
2015-09-13 23:45 ` Shawn Lin
2015-09-13 23:45 ` Shawn Lin
     [not found] ` <1442187923-5736-1-git-send-email-shawn.lin-TNX95d0MmH7DzftRWevZcw@public.gmane.org>
2015-09-13 23:46   ` [PATCH v5 01/10] DMA: pl330: support burst mode for dev-to-mem and mem-to-dev transmit Shawn Lin
2015-09-13 23:46     ` Shawn Lin
2015-09-13 23:46     ` Shawn Lin
2015-09-13 23:46   ` [PATCH v5 02/10] Documentation: arm-pl330: add description of arm,pl330-broken-no-flushp Shawn Lin
2015-09-13 23:46     ` Shawn Lin
2015-09-13 23:46     ` [PATCH v5 02/10] Documentation: arm-pl330: add description of arm, pl330-broken-no-flushp Shawn Lin
2015-09-13 23:49   ` [PATCH v5 09/10] snd: dmaengine-pcm: add snd_dmaengine_pcm_get_quirks interface Shawn Lin
2015-09-13 23:49     ` Shawn Lin
2015-09-13 23:49     ` Shawn Lin
2015-09-13 23:49   ` [PATCH v5 10/10] ASoC: rockchip_i2s: modify DMA max burst to 1 Shawn Lin
2015-09-13 23:49     ` Shawn Lin
2015-09-13 23:49     ` Shawn Lin
     [not found]     ` <1442188182-6181-1-git-send-email-shawn.lin-TNX95d0MmH7DzftRWevZcw@public.gmane.org>
2015-09-16 19:22       ` Mark Brown
2015-09-16 19:22         ` Mark Brown
2015-09-16 19:22         ` Mark Brown
2015-09-13 23:48 ` [PATCH v5 03/10] DMA: pl330: add quirk for broken no flushp Shawn Lin
2015-09-13 23:48   ` Shawn Lin
2015-09-13 23:48 ` [PATCH v5 04/10] ARM: dts: Add arm,pl330-broken-no-flushp quirk for rk3288 platform Shawn Lin
2015-09-13 23:48   ` [PATCH v5 04/10] ARM: dts: Add arm, pl330-broken-no-flushp " Shawn Lin
2015-09-13 23:48 ` [PATCH v5 05/10] ARM: dts: Add arm,pl330-broken-no-flushp quirk for rk3xxx platform Shawn Lin
2015-09-13 23:48   ` [PATCH v5 05/10] ARM: dts: Add arm, pl330-broken-no-flushp " Shawn Lin
2015-09-13 23:48 ` [PATCH v5 06/10] dmaengine: add API for getting dma controller's quirk Shawn Lin
2015-09-13 23:48   ` Shawn Lin
2015-10-05 15:37   ` Vinod Koul
2015-10-05 15:37     ` Vinod Koul
     [not found]     ` <20151005153746.GG13501-bQVUxfxUtC13uc1i7fC1zK2pdiUAq4bhAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2015-10-06  9:21       ` Shawn Lin
2015-10-06  9:21         ` Shawn Lin
2015-10-06  9:21         ` Shawn Lin
     [not found]         ` <56139289.7000005-TNX95d0MmH7DzftRWevZcw@public.gmane.org>
2015-10-07 14:32           ` Vinod Koul
2015-10-07 14:32             ` Vinod Koul
2015-10-07 14:32             ` Vinod Koul
     [not found]             ` <20151007143205.GG3320-bQVUxfxUtC13uc1i7fC1zK2pdiUAq4bhAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2015-10-09 11:23               ` Shawn Lin
2015-10-09 11:23                 ` Shawn Lin
2015-10-09 11:23                 ` Shawn Lin
2015-10-08  8:31         ` Lars-Peter Clausen
2015-10-08  8:31           ` [alsa-devel] " Lars-Peter Clausen
2015-10-08  8:31           ` Lars-Peter Clausen
     [not found]           ` <561629D6.9010702-Qo5EllUWu/uELgA04lAiVw@public.gmane.org>
2015-10-09 11:31             ` Shawn Lin
2015-10-09 11:31               ` Shawn Lin
2015-10-09 11:31               ` Shawn Lin
2015-10-09 11:38               ` Lars-Peter Clausen
2015-10-09 11:38                 ` Lars-Peter Clausen
2015-10-14 10:53             ` Vinod Koul [this message]
2015-10-14 10:53               ` Vinod Koul
2015-10-14 10:53               ` Vinod Koul
2015-10-14 14:33               ` Shawn Lin
2015-10-14 14:33                 ` Shawn Lin
2015-10-14 14:33                 ` Shawn Lin
2015-09-13 23:49 ` [PATCH v5 07/10] DMA: pl330: implement dmaengine_get_quirks hook Shawn Lin
2015-09-13 23:49   ` Shawn Lin
2015-09-13 23:49 ` [PATCH v5 08/10] spi: rockchip: modify DMA max burst to 1 Shawn Lin
2015-09-13 23:49   ` Shawn Lin
2015-09-28  1:59 ` [PATCH v5 0/10] Fix broken DMAFLUSHP on Rockchips platform Shawn Lin
2015-09-28  1:59   ` Shawn Lin
2015-09-28  1:59   ` Shawn Lin

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