From: Pablo Neira Ayuso <pablo@netfilter.org>
To: Patrick McHardy <kaber@trash.net>
Cc: Florian Westphal <fw@strlen.de>,
Michal Kubecek <mkubecek@suse.cz>,
Marcelo Ricardo Leitner <marcelo.leitner@gmail.com>,
netfilter-devel@vger.kernel.org, linux-sctp@vger.kernel.org,
Vlad Yasevich <vyasevich@gmail.com>,
Neil Horman <nhorman@tuxdriver.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH -next] netfilter: nf_ct_sctp: validate vtag for new conntrack entries
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2015 15:54:26 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20151126155426.GA4108@salvia> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20151126152410.GN16828@macbook.localdomain>
On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 03:24:11PM +0000, Patrick McHardy wrote:
> Consider:
>
> -i eth0 -j CT --track
> -i eth0 -p sctp --dport 1234 -j ACCEPT
> -i eth0 -m state --state ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT
>
> The explicit tracking rule *still* has no knowledge that the SCTP module
> is required. Depending on how the rule is built, there's no difference to
> automatic tracking since it might simply be a catch all rule.
>
> Sure, you could require users to enable it manually for each and every
> protocol, but I expect we agree that this is not a very nice way.
>
> What we have to do is:
>
> *If* we're using stateful tracking, *and* it is possible that connection
> state is based on a user selected connection identity (by using the protocol
> specific matches), then we have to enable connection tracking for that
> protocol to make sure we don't mix up connections with different identities.
There are OSPF routers in active-active HA setups outthere that still
need to rely on stateless filtering. Think of asymmetric paths.
Conntrack needs to see packets in both directions.
IMO we should skip enabling things by default. When we enable things
by default someone else follow up later on with some scenario we
didn't consider and then we've got problems. I think we should go in
the direction of explicit configurations, we already do this for
conntrack helpers.
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From: Pablo Neira Ayuso <pablo@netfilter.org>
To: Patrick McHardy <kaber@trash.net>
Cc: Florian Westphal <fw@strlen.de>,
Michal Kubecek <mkubecek@suse.cz>,
Marcelo Ricardo Leitner <marcelo.leitner@gmail.com>,
netfilter-devel@vger.kernel.org, linux-sctp@vger.kernel.org,
Vlad Yasevich <vyasevich@gmail.com>,
Neil Horman <nhorman@tuxdriver.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH -next] netfilter: nf_ct_sctp: validate vtag for new conntrack entries
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2015 16:54:26 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20151126155426.GA4108@salvia> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20151126152410.GN16828@macbook.localdomain>
On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 03:24:11PM +0000, Patrick McHardy wrote:
> Consider:
>
> -i eth0 -j CT --track
> -i eth0 -p sctp --dport 1234 -j ACCEPT
> -i eth0 -m state --state ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT
>
> The explicit tracking rule *still* has no knowledge that the SCTP module
> is required. Depending on how the rule is built, there's no difference to
> automatic tracking since it might simply be a catch all rule.
>
> Sure, you could require users to enable it manually for each and every
> protocol, but I expect we agree that this is not a very nice way.
>
> What we have to do is:
>
> *If* we're using stateful tracking, *and* it is possible that connection
> state is based on a user selected connection identity (by using the protocol
> specific matches), then we have to enable connection tracking for that
> protocol to make sure we don't mix up connections with different identities.
There are OSPF routers in active-active HA setups outthere that still
need to rely on stateless filtering. Think of asymmetric paths.
Conntrack needs to see packets in both directions.
IMO we should skip enabling things by default. When we enable things
by default someone else follow up later on with some scenario we
didn't consider and then we've got problems. I think we should go in
the direction of explicit configurations, we already do this for
conntrack helpers.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-11-26 15:54 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-11-25 19:13 [RFC PATCH -next] netfilter: nf_ct_sctp: validate vtag for new conntrack entries Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2015-11-25 19:13 ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2015-11-25 19:42 ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2015-11-25 19:42 ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2015-11-25 20:20 ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2015-11-25 20:20 ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2015-11-25 20:58 ` Michal Kubecek
2015-11-25 20:58 ` Michal Kubecek
2015-11-26 9:51 ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2015-11-26 9:51 ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2015-11-26 12:52 ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2015-11-26 12:52 ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2015-11-26 14:15 ` Patrick McHardy
2015-11-26 14:33 ` Florian Westphal
2015-11-26 14:33 ` Florian Westphal
2015-11-26 14:49 ` Patrick McHardy
2015-11-26 15:07 ` Florian Westphal
2015-11-26 15:07 ` Florian Westphal
2015-11-26 15:11 ` Patrick McHardy
2015-11-26 15:12 ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2015-11-26 15:12 ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2015-11-26 15:24 ` Patrick McHardy
2015-11-26 15:54 ` Pablo Neira Ayuso [this message]
2015-11-26 15:54 ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2015-11-26 16:02 ` Patrick McHardy
2015-11-26 16:15 ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2015-11-26 16:15 ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2015-11-26 16:25 ` Patrick McHardy
2015-11-26 16:43 ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2015-11-26 16:43 ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2015-11-26 16:53 ` Patrick McHardy
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