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From: Marcelo Ricardo Leitner <marcelo.leitner@gmail.com>
To: Michael Tuexen <Michael.Tuexen@lurchi.franken.de>
Cc: David Laight <David.Laight@ACULAB.COM>,
	"netdev@vger.kernel.org" <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	Neil Horman <nhorman@tuxdriver.com>,
	Vlad Yasevich <vyasevich@gmail.com>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	"brouer@redhat.com" <brouer@redhat.com>,
	"alexander.duyck@gmail.com" <alexander.duyck@gmail.com>,
	"alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com" <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>,
	"borkmann@iogearbox.net" <borkmann@iogearbox.net>,
	"marek@cloudflare.com" <marek@cloudflare.com>,
	"hannes@stressinduktion.org" <hannes@stressinduktion.org>,
	"fw@strlen.de" <fw@strlen.de>,
	"pabeni@redhat.com" <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	"john.r.fastabend@intel.com" <john.r.fastabend@intel.com>,
	"linux-sctp@vger.kernel.org" <linux-sctp@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH net-next 0/3] sctp: add GSO support
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 21:03:26 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160128210326.GD6602@mrl.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9D5B8E18-A20A-4E27-8EB8-EE8856DFB184@lurchi.franken.de>

On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 06:54:06PM +0100, Michael Tuexen wrote:
> > On 28 Jan 2016, at 14:51, David Laight <David.Laight@ACULAB.COM> wrote:
> > 
> > From: Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
> >> Sent: 27 January 2016 17:07
> >> This patchset is merely a RFC for the moment. There are some
> >> controversial points that I'd like to discuss before actually proposing
> >> the patches.
> > 
> > You also need to look at how a 'user' can actually get SCTP to
> > merge data chunks in the first place.
> > 
> > With Nagle disabled (and it probably has to be since the data flow
> > is unlikely to be 'command-response' or 'unidirectional bulk')
> > it is currently almost impossible to get more than one chunk
> > into an ethernet frame.
> > 
> > Support for MSG_MORE would help.
> What about adding support for the explicit EOR mode as specified in
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6458#section-8.1.26

Seizing the moment to clarify my understanding on that. :)
Such multiple calls to send system calls will result in a single data
chunk. Is that so? That's what I get from that text and also from this
snippet:
"Sending a message using sendmsg() is atomic unless explicit end of
record (EOR) marking is enabled on the socket specified by sd (see
Section 8.1.26)."

Best regards,
Marcelo

> Best regards
> Michael
> > 
> > Given the current implementation you can get almost the required
> > behaviour by turning nagle off and on repeatedly.
> > 
> > I did wonder whether the queued data could actually be picked up
> > be a Heartbeat chunk that is probing a different remote address
> > (which would be bad news).
> > 
> > 	David
> > 
> > --
> > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-sctp" in
> > the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org
> > More majordomo info at  http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
> > 
> 

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From: Marcelo Ricardo Leitner <marcelo.leitner@gmail.com>
To: Michael Tuexen <Michael.Tuexen@lurchi.franken.de>
Cc: David Laight <David.Laight@ACULAB.COM>,
	"netdev@vger.kernel.org" <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	Neil Horman <nhorman@tuxdriver.com>,
	Vlad Yasevich <vyasevich@gmail.com>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	"brouer@redhat.com" <brouer@redhat.com>,
	"alexander.duyck@gmail.com" <alexander.duyck@gmail.com>,
	"alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com" <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>,
	"borkmann@iogearbox.net" <borkmann@iogearbox.net>,
	"marek@cloudflare.com" <marek@cloudflare.com>,
	"hannes@stressinduktion.org" <hannes@stressinduktion.org>,
	"fw@strlen.de" <fw@strlen.de>,
	"pabeni@redhat.com" <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	"john.r.fastabend@intel.com" <john.r.fastabend@intel.com>,
	"linux-sctp@vger.kernel.org" <linux-sctp@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH net-next 0/3] sctp: add GSO support
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 19:03:26 -0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160128210326.GD6602@mrl.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9D5B8E18-A20A-4E27-8EB8-EE8856DFB184@lurchi.franken.de>

On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 06:54:06PM +0100, Michael Tuexen wrote:
> > On 28 Jan 2016, at 14:51, David Laight <David.Laight@ACULAB.COM> wrote:
> > 
> > From: Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
> >> Sent: 27 January 2016 17:07
> >> This patchset is merely a RFC for the moment. There are some
> >> controversial points that I'd like to discuss before actually proposing
> >> the patches.
> > 
> > You also need to look at how a 'user' can actually get SCTP to
> > merge data chunks in the first place.
> > 
> > With Nagle disabled (and it probably has to be since the data flow
> > is unlikely to be 'command-response' or 'unidirectional bulk')
> > it is currently almost impossible to get more than one chunk
> > into an ethernet frame.
> > 
> > Support for MSG_MORE would help.
> What about adding support for the explicit EOR mode as specified in
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6458#section-8.1.26

Seizing the moment to clarify my understanding on that. :)
Such multiple calls to send system calls will result in a single data
chunk. Is that so? That's what I get from that text and also from this
snippet:
"Sending a message using sendmsg() is atomic unless explicit end of
record (EOR) marking is enabled on the socket specified by sd (see
Section 8.1.26)."

Best regards,
Marcelo

> Best regards
> Michael
> > 
> > Given the current implementation you can get almost the required
> > behaviour by turning nagle off and on repeatedly.
> > 
> > I did wonder whether the queued data could actually be picked up
> > be a Heartbeat chunk that is probing a different remote address
> > (which would be bad news).
> > 
> > 	David
> > 
> > --
> > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-sctp" in
> > the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org
> > More majordomo info at  http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
> > 
> 

  reply	other threads:[~2016-01-28 21:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-01-27 17:06 [RFC PATCH net-next 0/3] sctp: add GSO support Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2016-01-27 17:06 ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2016-01-27 17:06 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 1/3] skbuff: export skb_gro_receive Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2016-01-27 17:06   ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2016-01-27 18:35   ` Eric Dumazet
2016-01-27 18:35     ` Eric Dumazet
2016-01-27 18:46     ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2016-01-27 18:46       ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2016-01-27 17:06 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 2/3] sctp: offloading support structure Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2016-01-27 17:06   ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2016-01-27 17:06 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 3/3] sctp: Add GSO support Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2016-01-27 17:06   ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2016-01-29 19:15   ` Alexander Duyck
2016-01-29 19:15     ` Alexander Duyck
2016-01-29 19:42     ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2016-01-29 19:42       ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2016-01-30  4:07       ` Alexander Duyck
2016-01-30  4:07         ` Alexander Duyck
2016-02-01 16:22         ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2016-02-01 16:22           ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2016-02-01 17:03           ` Alexander Duyck
2016-02-01 17:03             ` Alexander Duyck
2016-02-01 17:41             ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2016-02-01 17:41               ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2016-01-28 13:51 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 0/3] sctp: add " David Laight
2016-01-28 15:53   ` 'Marcelo Ricardo Leitner'
2016-01-28 15:53     ` 'Marcelo Ricardo Leitner'
2016-01-28 17:30     ` David Laight
2016-01-28 20:55       ` 'Marcelo Ricardo Leitner'
2016-01-28 20:55         ` 'Marcelo Ricardo Leitner'
2016-01-29 15:51         ` David Laight
2016-01-29 18:53           ` 'Marcelo Ricardo Leitner'
2016-01-29 18:53             ` 'Marcelo Ricardo Leitner'
2016-01-29 15:57         ` David Laight
2016-01-29 16:07         ` David Laight
2016-01-28 17:54   ` Michael Tuexen
2016-01-28 17:54     ` Michael Tuexen
2016-01-28 21:03     ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner [this message]
2016-01-28 21:03       ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2016-01-28 23:36       ` Michael Tuexen
2016-01-28 23:36         ` Michael Tuexen
2016-01-29  1:18         ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2016-01-29  1:18           ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2016-01-29 10:57           ` Michael Tuexen
2016-01-29 10:57             ` Michael Tuexen
2016-01-29 11:26             ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2016-01-29 11:26               ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2016-01-29 12:25               ` Michael Tuexen
2016-01-29 12:25                 ` Michael Tuexen

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