From: Marcelo Ricardo Leitner <marcelo.leitner@gmail.com>
To: Michael Tuexen <Michael.Tuexen@lurchi.franken.de>
Cc: David Laight <David.Laight@ACULAB.COM>,
"netdev@vger.kernel.org" <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
Neil Horman <nhorman@tuxdriver.com>,
Vlad Yasevich <vyasevich@gmail.com>,
David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
"brouer@redhat.com" <brouer@redhat.com>,
"alexander.duyck@gmail.com" <alexander.duyck@gmail.com>,
"alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com" <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>,
"borkmann@iogearbox.net" <borkmann@iogearbox.net>,
"marek@cloudflare.com" <marek@cloudflare.com>,
"hannes@stressinduktion.org" <hannes@stressinduktion.org>,
"fw@strlen.de" <fw@strlen.de>,
"pabeni@redhat.com" <pabeni@redhat.com>,
"john.r.fastabend@intel.com" <john.r.fastabend@intel.com>,
"linux-sctp@vger.kernel.org" <linux-sctp@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH net-next 0/3] sctp: add GSO support
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 01:18:28 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160129011828.GE6602@mrl.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7DA10E71-2CE2-41E6-B53B-4C4D5BF341DA@lurchi.franken.de>
On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 12:36:05AM +0100, Michael Tuexen wrote:
>
> > On 28 Jan 2016, at 22:03, Marcelo Ricardo Leitner <marcelo.leitner@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 06:54:06PM +0100, Michael Tuexen wrote:
> >>> On 28 Jan 2016, at 14:51, David Laight <David.Laight@ACULAB.COM> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> From: Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
> >>>> Sent: 27 January 2016 17:07
> >>>> This patchset is merely a RFC for the moment. There are some
> >>>> controversial points that I'd like to discuss before actually proposing
> >>>> the patches.
> >>>
> >>> You also need to look at how a 'user' can actually get SCTP to
> >>> merge data chunks in the first place.
> >>>
> >>> With Nagle disabled (and it probably has to be since the data flow
> >>> is unlikely to be 'command-response' or 'unidirectional bulk')
> >>> it is currently almost impossible to get more than one chunk
> >>> into an ethernet frame.
> >>>
> >>> Support for MSG_MORE would help.
> >> What about adding support for the explicit EOR mode as specified in
> >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6458#section-8.1.26
> >
> > Seizing the moment to clarify my understanding on that. :)
> > Such multiple calls to send system calls will result in a single data
> > chunk. Is that so? That's what I get from that text and also from this
> No. It results in a single user message. This means you can send
> a user message larger than the send buffer size. How the user message
> is fragmented in DATA chunks is transparent to the upper layer.
>
> Does this make things clearer?
I think so, yes. So it allows delaying setting the Ending fragment bit
until the application set SCTP_EOR. All the rest before this stays as
before: first send() will generate a chunk with Beginning bit set and
may generate some other middle-fragments (no B nor E bit set) if
necessary, second to N-1 call to send will generate only middle
fragments, while the last send, with SCTP_EOF, will then set the Ending
fragment in the last one. Right?
Thanks,
Marcelo
>
> Best regards
> Michael
> > snippet:
> > "Sending a message using sendmsg() is atomic unless explicit end of
> > record (EOR) marking is enabled on the socket specified by sd (see
> > Section 8.1.26)."
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Marcelo
> >
> >> Best regards
> >> Michael
> >>>
> >>> Given the current implementation you can get almost the required
> >>> behaviour by turning nagle off and on repeatedly.
> >>>
> >>> I did wonder whether the queued data could actually be picked up
> >>> be a Heartbeat chunk that is probing a different remote address
> >>> (which would be bad news).
> >>>
> >>> David
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-sctp" in
> >>> the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org
> >>> More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
> >>>
> >>
> >
>
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Marcelo Ricardo Leitner <marcelo.leitner@gmail.com>
To: Michael Tuexen <Michael.Tuexen@lurchi.franken.de>
Cc: David Laight <David.Laight@ACULAB.COM>,
"netdev@vger.kernel.org" <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
Neil Horman <nhorman@tuxdriver.com>,
Vlad Yasevich <vyasevich@gmail.com>,
David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
"brouer@redhat.com" <brouer@redhat.com>,
"alexander.duyck@gmail.com" <alexander.duyck@gmail.com>,
"alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com" <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>,
"borkmann@iogearbox.net" <borkmann@iogearbox.net>,
"marek@cloudflare.com" <marek@cloudflare.com>,
"hannes@stressinduktion.org" <hannes@stressinduktion.org>,
"fw@strlen.de" <fw@strlen.de>,
"pabeni@redhat.com" <pabeni@redhat.com>,
"john.r.fastabend@intel.com" <john.r.fastabend@intel.com>,
"linux-sctp@vger.kernel.org" <linux-sctp@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH net-next 0/3] sctp: add GSO support
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 23:18:28 -0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160129011828.GE6602@mrl.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7DA10E71-2CE2-41E6-B53B-4C4D5BF341DA@lurchi.franken.de>
On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 12:36:05AM +0100, Michael Tuexen wrote:
>
> > On 28 Jan 2016, at 22:03, Marcelo Ricardo Leitner <marcelo.leitner@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 06:54:06PM +0100, Michael Tuexen wrote:
> >>> On 28 Jan 2016, at 14:51, David Laight <David.Laight@ACULAB.COM> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> From: Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
> >>>> Sent: 27 January 2016 17:07
> >>>> This patchset is merely a RFC for the moment. There are some
> >>>> controversial points that I'd like to discuss before actually proposing
> >>>> the patches.
> >>>
> >>> You also need to look at how a 'user' can actually get SCTP to
> >>> merge data chunks in the first place.
> >>>
> >>> With Nagle disabled (and it probably has to be since the data flow
> >>> is unlikely to be 'command-response' or 'unidirectional bulk')
> >>> it is currently almost impossible to get more than one chunk
> >>> into an ethernet frame.
> >>>
> >>> Support for MSG_MORE would help.
> >> What about adding support for the explicit EOR mode as specified in
> >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6458#section-8.1.26
> >
> > Seizing the moment to clarify my understanding on that. :)
> > Such multiple calls to send system calls will result in a single data
> > chunk. Is that so? That's what I get from that text and also from this
> No. It results in a single user message. This means you can send
> a user message larger than the send buffer size. How the user message
> is fragmented in DATA chunks is transparent to the upper layer.
>
> Does this make things clearer?
I think so, yes. So it allows delaying setting the Ending fragment bit
until the application set SCTP_EOR. All the rest before this stays as
before: first send() will generate a chunk with Beginning bit set and
may generate some other middle-fragments (no B nor E bit set) if
necessary, second to N-1 call to send will generate only middle
fragments, while the last send, with SCTP_EOF, will then set the Ending
fragment in the last one. Right?
Thanks,
Marcelo
>
> Best regards
> Michael
> > snippet:
> > "Sending a message using sendmsg() is atomic unless explicit end of
> > record (EOR) marking is enabled on the socket specified by sd (see
> > Section 8.1.26)."
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Marcelo
> >
> >> Best regards
> >> Michael
> >>>
> >>> Given the current implementation you can get almost the required
> >>> behaviour by turning nagle off and on repeatedly.
> >>>
> >>> I did wonder whether the queued data could actually be picked up
> >>> be a Heartbeat chunk that is probing a different remote address
> >>> (which would be bad news).
> >>>
> >>> David
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-sctp" in
> >>> the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org
> >>> More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
> >>>
> >>
> >
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-01-29 1:18 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-01-27 17:06 [RFC PATCH net-next 0/3] sctp: add GSO support Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2016-01-27 17:06 ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2016-01-27 17:06 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 1/3] skbuff: export skb_gro_receive Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2016-01-27 17:06 ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2016-01-27 18:35 ` Eric Dumazet
2016-01-27 18:35 ` Eric Dumazet
2016-01-27 18:46 ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2016-01-27 18:46 ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2016-01-27 17:06 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 2/3] sctp: offloading support structure Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2016-01-27 17:06 ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2016-01-27 17:06 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 3/3] sctp: Add GSO support Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2016-01-27 17:06 ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2016-01-29 19:15 ` Alexander Duyck
2016-01-29 19:15 ` Alexander Duyck
2016-01-29 19:42 ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2016-01-29 19:42 ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2016-01-30 4:07 ` Alexander Duyck
2016-01-30 4:07 ` Alexander Duyck
2016-02-01 16:22 ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2016-02-01 16:22 ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2016-02-01 17:03 ` Alexander Duyck
2016-02-01 17:03 ` Alexander Duyck
2016-02-01 17:41 ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2016-02-01 17:41 ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2016-01-28 13:51 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 0/3] sctp: add " David Laight
2016-01-28 15:53 ` 'Marcelo Ricardo Leitner'
2016-01-28 15:53 ` 'Marcelo Ricardo Leitner'
2016-01-28 17:30 ` David Laight
2016-01-28 20:55 ` 'Marcelo Ricardo Leitner'
2016-01-28 20:55 ` 'Marcelo Ricardo Leitner'
2016-01-29 15:51 ` David Laight
2016-01-29 18:53 ` 'Marcelo Ricardo Leitner'
2016-01-29 18:53 ` 'Marcelo Ricardo Leitner'
2016-01-29 15:57 ` David Laight
2016-01-29 16:07 ` David Laight
2016-01-28 17:54 ` Michael Tuexen
2016-01-28 17:54 ` Michael Tuexen
2016-01-28 21:03 ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2016-01-28 21:03 ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2016-01-28 23:36 ` Michael Tuexen
2016-01-28 23:36 ` Michael Tuexen
2016-01-29 1:18 ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner [this message]
2016-01-29 1:18 ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2016-01-29 10:57 ` Michael Tuexen
2016-01-29 10:57 ` Michael Tuexen
2016-01-29 11:26 ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2016-01-29 11:26 ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2016-01-29 12:25 ` Michael Tuexen
2016-01-29 12:25 ` Michael Tuexen
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