From: Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com>
To: Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>
Cc: Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Joonsoo Kim <js1304@gmail.com>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH v2 2/3] zram: use zs_get_huge_class_size_watermark()
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2016 09:40:47 +0900 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160222004047.GA4958@swordfish> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160222000436.GA21710@bbox>
On (02/22/16 09:04), Minchan Kim wrote:
[..]
> max_zpage_size was there since zram's grandpa(ie, ramzswap).
> AFAIR, at that time, it works to forward incompressible
> (e.g, PAGE_SIZE/2) page to backing swap if it presents.
> If it doesn't have any backing swap and it's incompressbile
> (e.g, PAGE_SIZE*3/4), it stores it as uncompressed page
> to avoid *decompress* overhead later.
"PAGE_SIZE * 3 / 4" introduces a bigger memory overhead than
decompression of 3K bytes later.
> And Nitin want to make it as tunable parameter. I agree the
> approach because I don't want to make coupling between zram
> and allocator as far as possible.
>
> If huge class is pain
they are.
> it's allocator problem, not zram stuff.
the allocator's problems start at the point where zram begins to have
opinion on what should be stored as ->huge object and what should not.
it's not up to zram to enforce this.
> I think we should try to remove such problem in zsmalloc layer,
> firstly.
zram asks to store a PAGE_SIZE sized object, what zsmalloc can
possible do about this?
> Having said that, I agree your claim that uncompressible pages
> are pain. I want to handle the problem as multiple-swap apparoach.
zram is not just for swapping. as simple as that.
and enforcing a multi-swap approach on folks who use zram for swap
doesn't look right to me.
> For that, we should introduce new knob in zram layer like Nitin
> did and make it configurable so we could solve the problem of
> single zram-swap system as well as multiple swap system.
a 'bad compression' watermark knob? isn't it an absolutely low level
thing no one ever should see?
-ss
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From: Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com>
To: Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>
Cc: Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Joonsoo Kim <js1304@gmail.com>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH v2 2/3] zram: use zs_get_huge_class_size_watermark()
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2016 09:40:47 +0900 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160222004047.GA4958@swordfish> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160222000436.GA21710@bbox>
On (02/22/16 09:04), Minchan Kim wrote:
[..]
> max_zpage_size was there since zram's grandpa(ie, ramzswap).
> AFAIR, at that time, it works to forward incompressible
> (e.g, PAGE_SIZE/2) page to backing swap if it presents.
> If it doesn't have any backing swap and it's incompressbile
> (e.g, PAGE_SIZE*3/4), it stores it as uncompressed page
> to avoid *decompress* overhead later.
"PAGE_SIZE * 3 / 4" introduces a bigger memory overhead than
decompression of 3K bytes later.
> And Nitin want to make it as tunable parameter. I agree the
> approach because I don't want to make coupling between zram
> and allocator as far as possible.
>
> If huge class is pain
they are.
> it's allocator problem, not zram stuff.
the allocator's problems start at the point where zram begins to have
opinion on what should be stored as ->huge object and what should not.
it's not up to zram to enforce this.
> I think we should try to remove such problem in zsmalloc layer,
> firstly.
zram asks to store a PAGE_SIZE sized object, what zsmalloc can
possible do about this?
> Having said that, I agree your claim that uncompressible pages
> are pain. I want to handle the problem as multiple-swap apparoach.
zram is not just for swapping. as simple as that.
and enforcing a multi-swap approach on folks who use zram for swap
doesn't look right to me.
> For that, we should introduce new knob in zram layer like Nitin
> did and make it configurable so we could solve the problem of
> single zram-swap system as well as multiple swap system.
a 'bad compression' watermark knob? isn't it an absolutely low level
thing no one ever should see?
-ss
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-02-22 0:39 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-02-21 13:27 [RFC][PATCH v2 0/3] mm/zsmalloc: increase objects density and reduce memory wastage Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-02-21 13:27 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-02-21 13:27 ` [RFC][PATCH v2 1/3] mm/zsmalloc: introduce zs_get_huge_class_size_watermark() Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-02-21 13:27 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-02-21 13:27 ` [RFC][PATCH v2 2/3] zram: use zs_get_huge_class_size_watermark() Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-02-21 13:27 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-02-22 0:04 ` Minchan Kim
2016-02-22 0:04 ` Minchan Kim
2016-02-22 0:40 ` Sergey Senozhatsky [this message]
2016-02-22 0:40 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-02-22 1:27 ` Minchan Kim
2016-02-22 1:27 ` Minchan Kim
2016-02-22 1:59 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-02-22 1:59 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-02-22 2:05 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-02-22 2:05 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-02-22 2:57 ` Minchan Kim
2016-02-22 2:57 ` Minchan Kim
2016-02-22 3:54 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-02-22 3:54 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-02-22 4:54 ` Minchan Kim
2016-02-22 4:54 ` Minchan Kim
2016-02-22 5:05 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-02-22 5:05 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-02-21 13:27 ` [RFC][PATCH v2 3/3] mm/zsmalloc: increase ZS_MAX_PAGES_PER_ZSPAGE Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-02-21 13:27 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-02-22 0:25 ` Minchan Kim
2016-02-22 0:25 ` Minchan Kim
2016-02-22 0:47 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-02-22 0:47 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-02-22 1:34 ` Minchan Kim
2016-02-22 1:34 ` Minchan Kim
2016-02-22 2:01 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-02-22 2:01 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-02-22 2:34 ` Minchan Kim
2016-02-22 2:34 ` Minchan Kim
2016-02-22 3:59 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-02-22 3:59 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-02-22 4:41 ` Minchan Kim
2016-02-22 4:41 ` Minchan Kim
2016-02-22 10:43 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-02-22 10:43 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-02-23 8:25 ` Minchan Kim
2016-02-23 8:25 ` Minchan Kim
2016-02-23 10:35 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-02-23 10:35 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-02-23 16:05 ` Minchan Kim
2016-02-23 16:05 ` Minchan Kim
2016-02-27 6:31 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-02-27 6:31 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-02-22 2:24 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-02-22 2:24 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
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