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From: Jean Delvare <jdelvare@suse.de>
To: Joe Perches <joe@perches.com>
Cc: Julia Lawall <julia.lawall@lip6.fr>,
	Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>,
	Ilya Dryomov <idryomov@gmail.com>,
	Andy Whitcroft <apw@canonical.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Ceph Development <ceph-devel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Alex Elder <elder@kernel.org>, Sage Weil <sage@redhat.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	kernel-janitors@vger.kernel.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-doc@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: "CodingStyle: Clarify and complete chapter 7" in docs-next
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2016 21:47:25 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160922214725.4082f9dc@endymion> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1474566587.8253.14.camel@perches.com>

On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 10:49:47 -0700, Joe Perches wrote:
> On Thu, 2016-09-22 at 13:57 +0200, Jean Delvare wrote:
> > Sure. But I'm afraid you keep changing topics and I have no idea where
> > you are going. We started with "should there be a space before jump
> > labels", then out of nowhere we were discussing the wording of the
> > output of checkpatch (how is that related?) and now you pull statistics
> > out of your hat, like these numbers imply anything.
> 
> No, not out of a hat.  Those are the results of a silly script that
> runs checkpatch on every .[ch] kernel file (but not tools/) with:
> 
> 	--show-types --terse --emacs --strict --no-summary --quiet -f

Silly is the key word here. Just don't do it.

> The magnitude of "ERRORS" is high and it's not necessary or useful
> to modify old or obsolete code just to reduce that magnitude.

I agree. Just don't do it.

> > checkpatch was called checkPATCH for a reason.
> 
> That's why I promote the --force option to limit using checkpatch on
> files outside of staging.
> 
> https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/9332205/
> 
> Andrew?  Are you going to apply that one day?

I hope not. Looks plain wrong to me. This wont prevents idiots from
being idiots. All it does is make things more difficult for the rest of
us.

> > ERROR means that the new code isn't allowed to do that. Period.
> 
> Disagree.  The compiler doesn't care.

Which is good, because this has nothing to do with the compiler.

> The value of consistency in reducing defects is very hard to quantify.

That's not the only purpose of consistency.

-- 
Jean Delvare
SUSE L3 Support

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From: Jean Delvare <jdelvare@suse.de>
To: Joe Perches <joe@perches.com>
Cc: Julia Lawall <julia.lawall@lip6.fr>,
	Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>,
	Ilya Dryomov <idryomov@gmail.com>,
	Andy Whitcroft <apw@canonical.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Ceph Development <ceph-devel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Alex Elder <elder@kernel.org>, Sage Weil <sage@redhat.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	kernel-janitors@vger.kernel.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-doc@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: "CodingStyle: Clarify and complete chapter 7" in docs-next
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2016 19:47:25 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160922214725.4082f9dc@endymion> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1474566587.8253.14.camel@perches.com>

On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 10:49:47 -0700, Joe Perches wrote:
> On Thu, 2016-09-22 at 13:57 +0200, Jean Delvare wrote:
> > Sure. But I'm afraid you keep changing topics and I have no idea where
> > you are going. We started with "should there be a space before jump
> > labels", then out of nowhere we were discussing the wording of the
> > output of checkpatch (how is that related?) and now you pull statistics
> > out of your hat, like these numbers imply anything.
> 
> No, not out of a hat.  Those are the results of a silly script that
> runs checkpatch on every .[ch] kernel file (but not tools/) with:
> 
> 	--show-types --terse --emacs --strict --no-summary --quiet -f

Silly is the key word here. Just don't do it.

> The magnitude of "ERRORS" is high and it's not necessary or useful
> to modify old or obsolete code just to reduce that magnitude.

I agree. Just don't do it.

> > checkpatch was called checkPATCH for a reason.
> 
> That's why I promote the --force option to limit using checkpatch on
> files outside of staging.
> 
> https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/9332205/
> 
> Andrew?  Are you going to apply that one day?

I hope not. Looks plain wrong to me. This wont prevents idiots from
being idiots. All it does is make things more difficult for the rest of
us.

> > ERROR means that the new code isn't allowed to do that. Period.
> 
> Disagree.  The compiler doesn't care.

Which is good, because this has nothing to do with the compiler.

> The value of consistency in reducing defects is very hard to quantify.

That's not the only purpose of consistency.

-- 
Jean Delvare
SUSE L3 Support
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  reply	other threads:[~2016-09-22 19:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-09-19 11:53 "CodingStyle: Clarify and complete chapter 7" in docs-next (was Re: [PATCH 03/47] block-rbd: Adjust the position of a jump label in rbd_header_from_disk()) Ilya Dryomov
2016-09-19 11:53 ` "CodingStyle: Clarify and complete chapter 7" in docs-next (was Re: [PATCH 03/47] block-rbd: Adjust Ilya Dryomov
2016-09-20  0:11 ` "CodingStyle: Clarify and complete chapter 7" in docs-next (was Re: [PATCH 03/47] block-rbd: Adjust the position of a jump label in rbd_header_from_disk()) Al Viro
2016-09-20  0:11   ` "CodingStyle: Clarify and complete chapter 7" in docs-next (was Re: [PATCH 03/47] block-rbd: Adj Al Viro
2016-09-20  2:46   ` "CodingStyle: Clarify and complete chapter 7" in docs-next (was Re: [PATCH 03/47] block-rbd: Adjust the position of a jump label in rbd_header_from_disk()) Joe Perches
2016-09-20  2:46     ` "CodingStyle: Clarify and complete chapter 7" in docs-next (was Re: [PATCH 03/47] block-rbd: Adj Joe Perches
2016-09-20  5:53     ` "CodingStyle: Clarify and complete chapter 7" in docs-next (was Re: [PATCH 03/47] block-rbd: Adjust the position of a jump label in rbd_header_from_disk()) Julia Lawall
2016-09-20  5:53       ` "CodingStyle: Clarify and complete chapter 7" in docs-next (was Re: [PATCH 03/47] block-rbd: Adj Julia Lawall
2016-09-20  6:32       ` "CodingStyle: Clarify and complete chapter 7" in docs-next (was Re: [PATCH 03/47] block-rbd: Adjust the position of a jump label in rbd_header_from_disk()) Joe Perches
2016-09-20  6:32         ` "CodingStyle: Clarify and complete chapter 7" in docs-next (was Re: [PATCH 03/47] block-rbd: Adj Joe Perches
2016-09-20  6:46         ` "CodingStyle: Clarify and complete chapter 7" in docs-next (was Re: [PATCH 03/47] block-rbd: Adjust the position of a jump label in rbd_header_from_disk()) Julia Lawall
2016-09-20  6:46           ` "CodingStyle: Clarify and complete chapter 7" in docs-next (was Re: [PATCH 03/47] block-rbd: Adj Julia Lawall
2016-09-22  9:24         ` "CodingStyle: Clarify and complete chapter 7" in docs-next Jean Delvare
2016-09-22  9:24           ` Jean Delvare
2016-09-22 10:42           ` Joe Perches
2016-09-22 10:42             ` Joe Perches
2016-09-22 11:57             ` Jean Delvare
2016-09-22 11:57               ` Jean Delvare
2016-09-22 13:11               ` Al Viro
2016-09-22 13:11                 ` Al Viro
2016-09-22 14:58                 ` Jean Delvare
2016-09-22 14:58                   ` Jean Delvare
2016-09-22 15:05                   ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-22 15:05                     ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-22 17:50                 ` Joe Perches
2016-09-22 17:50                   ` Joe Perches
2016-09-22 17:49               ` Joe Perches
2016-09-22 17:49                 ` Joe Perches
2016-09-22 19:47                 ` Jean Delvare [this message]
2016-09-22 19:47                   ` Jean Delvare
2016-09-22 10:43           ` Jani Nikula
2016-09-22 10:43             ` Jani Nikula
2016-09-22 12:46             ` Jean Delvare
2016-09-22 12:46               ` Jean Delvare
2016-09-22 13:06               ` Jani Nikula
2016-09-22 13:06                 ` Jani Nikula

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