* [kernel-hardening] Any artists around?
@ 2016-10-03 19:16 Kees Cook
2016-10-03 19:21 ` Schaufler, Casey
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From: Kees Cook @ 2016-10-03 19:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com
Hi,
I've been asked if the Kernel Self-Protection Project has a logo. We
don't have one, but in a world with logos even for exploits, it seems
like we're missing something. :) Other defensive projects (like the
major LSMs) have logos:
SELinux:
http://selinuxproject.org/images/selinux-penguin-125.png
AppArmor:
http://archive.is/pm43d/0d9cb927561e325784f3e6d20c97f56361795918.png
Smack:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0c/Smack-tux.svg/237px-Smack-tux.svg.png
Does anyone have some suggestions or sketches for a logo we could use?
-Kees
--
Kees Cook
Nexus Security
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* RE: [kernel-hardening] Any artists around?
2016-10-03 19:16 [kernel-hardening] Any artists around? Kees Cook
@ 2016-10-03 19:21 ` Schaufler, Casey
2016-10-03 19:27 ` Yves-Alexis Perez
2016-10-03 19:34 ` Solar Designer
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From: Schaufler, Casey @ 2016-10-03 19:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com
I have a nasty idea, but it may take a day or two.
Bwah Hah Hah,
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kees Cook [mailto:keescook@google.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 12:16 PM
> To: kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com
> Subject: [kernel-hardening] Any artists around?
>
> Hi,
>
> I've been asked if the Kernel Self-Protection Project has a logo. We
> don't have one, but in a world with logos even for exploits, it seems
> like we're missing something. :) Other defensive projects (like the
> major LSMs) have logos:
>
> SELinux:
> http://selinuxproject.org/images/selinux-penguin-125.png
>
> AppArmor:
> http://archive.is/pm43d/0d9cb927561e325784f3e6d20c97f56361795918.png
>
> Smack:
> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0c/Smack-
> tux.svg/237px-Smack-tux.svg.png
>
> Does anyone have some suggestions or sketches for a logo we could use?
>
> -Kees
>
> --
> Kees Cook
> Nexus Security
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* Re: [kernel-hardening] Any artists around?
2016-10-03 19:16 [kernel-hardening] Any artists around? Kees Cook
2016-10-03 19:21 ` Schaufler, Casey
@ 2016-10-03 19:27 ` Yves-Alexis Perez
2016-10-03 20:00 ` Kees Cook
2016-10-03 19:34 ` Solar Designer
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From: Yves-Alexis Perez @ 2016-10-03 19:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: kernel-hardening
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On Mon, 2016-10-03 at 12:16 -0700, Kees Cook wrote:
> Does anyone have some suggestions or sketches for a logo we could use?
What about http://kernsec.org/images/overlord59-tux-halo.png from kernsec
wiki?
--
Yves-Alexis
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* Re: [kernel-hardening] Any artists around?
2016-10-03 19:16 [kernel-hardening] Any artists around? Kees Cook
2016-10-03 19:21 ` Schaufler, Casey
2016-10-03 19:27 ` Yves-Alexis Perez
@ 2016-10-03 19:34 ` Solar Designer
2016-10-03 19:59 ` Kees Cook
2 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Solar Designer @ 2016-10-03 19:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: kernel-hardening
On Mon, Oct 03, 2016 at 12:16:07PM -0700, Kees Cook wrote:
> Does anyone have some suggestions or sketches for a logo we could use?
How about a bikeshed? It would convey how hardening is not "perfect
security", and ack the irony of spending time on discussing a logo.
I don't even have a preference as to which color the bikeshed should be.
Alexander
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* Re: [kernel-hardening] Any artists around?
2016-10-03 19:34 ` Solar Designer
@ 2016-10-03 19:59 ` Kees Cook
2016-10-05 22:32 ` Solar Designer
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From: Kees Cook @ 2016-10-03 19:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com
On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 12:34 PM, Solar Designer <solar@openwall.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 03, 2016 at 12:16:07PM -0700, Kees Cook wrote:
>> Does anyone have some suggestions or sketches for a logo we could use?
>
> How about a bikeshed? It would convey how hardening is not "perfect
> security", and ack the irony of spending time on discussing a logo.
> I don't even have a preference as to which color the bikeshed should be.
Haha, yes, exactly. This is the opening image I used in my slides
covering the uid-0/ring-0 lockdown series at LSS on 2014:
https://outflux.net/bikeshed.jpg
:)
-Kees
--
Kees Cook
Nexus Security
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* Re: [kernel-hardening] Any artists around?
2016-10-03 19:27 ` Yves-Alexis Perez
@ 2016-10-03 20:00 ` Kees Cook
2016-10-05 7:08 ` James Morris
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From: Kees Cook @ 2016-10-03 20:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com, James Morris
On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 12:27 PM, Yves-Alexis Perez <corsac@debian.org> wrote:
> On Mon, 2016-10-03 at 12:16 -0700, Kees Cook wrote:
>> Does anyone have some suggestions or sketches for a logo we could use?
>
> What about http://kernsec.org/images/overlord59-tux-halo.png from kernsec
> wiki?
What's the origin of that one, exactly? Maybe James knows?
-Kees
--
Kees Cook
Nexus Security
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* Re: [kernel-hardening] Any artists around?
2016-10-03 20:00 ` Kees Cook
@ 2016-10-05 7:08 ` James Morris
2016-10-06 21:30 ` Kees Cook
0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: James Morris @ 2016-10-05 7:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com
On Mon, 3 Oct 2016, Kees Cook wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 12:27 PM, Yves-Alexis Perez <corsac@debian.org> wrote:
> > On Mon, 2016-10-03 at 12:16 -0700, Kees Cook wrote:
> >> Does anyone have some suggestions or sketches for a logo we could use?
> >
> > What about http://kernsec.org/images/overlord59-tux-halo.png from kernsec
> > wiki?
>
> What's the origin of that one, exactly? Maybe James knows?
As I recall, it's from this artist:
http://overlord59.deviantart.com/
--
James Morris
<jmorris@namei.org>
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* Re: [kernel-hardening] Any artists around?
2016-10-03 19:59 ` Kees Cook
@ 2016-10-05 22:32 ` Solar Designer
2016-10-06 2:24 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-10-06 2:27 ` Jann Horn
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From: Solar Designer @ 2016-10-05 22:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: kernel-hardening
On Mon, Oct 03, 2016 at 12:59:31PM -0700, Kees Cook wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 12:34 PM, Solar Designer <solar@openwall.com> wrote:
> > On Mon, Oct 03, 2016 at 12:16:07PM -0700, Kees Cook wrote:
> >> Does anyone have some suggestions or sketches for a logo we could use?
> >
> > How about a bikeshed? It would convey how hardening is not "perfect
> > security", and ack the irony of spending time on discussing a logo.
> > I don't even have a preference as to which color the bikeshed should be.
>
> Haha, yes, exactly. This is the opening image I used in my slides
> covering the uid-0/ring-0 lockdown series at LSS on 2014:
>
> https://outflux.net/bikeshed.jpg
Oh, cool. Meanwhile, my Twitter poll ended in favor of bikeshed:
https://twitter.com/solardiz/status/783033528736940032
"What should (Linux) Kernel Self Protection Project's logo be?
32% A fancy penguin
42% A bikeshed
7% Other (please tweet what)
19% No logo
116 votes"
A bikeshed would also ack the grsecurity project's opinion (as I
understand it) that trying to upstream hardening changes (through the
hoops) is sort of bikeshedding (in comparison with having made such
changes) or that the typical initial response (those hoops) is
bikeshedding, and that some of those changes (not in grsecurity) are a
bikeshed on their own. This shouldn't stop us, but we can troll
ourselves a bit by ack'ing this dissenting opinion in the logo. ;-)
Alexander
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* Re: [kernel-hardening] Any artists around?
2016-10-05 22:32 ` Solar Designer
@ 2016-10-06 2:24 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-10-06 6:50 ` Schaufler, Casey
2016-10-06 2:27 ` Jann Horn
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From: Theodore Ts'o @ 2016-10-06 2:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: kernel-hardening
On Thu, Oct 06, 2016 at 12:32:20AM +0200, Solar Designer wrote:
>
> Oh, cool. Meanwhile, my Twitter poll ended in favor of bikeshed:
>
> https://twitter.com/solardiz/status/783033528736940032
>
> "What should (Linux) Kernel Self Protection Project's logo be?
>
> 32% A fancy penguin
> 42% A bikeshed
> 7% Other (please tweet what)
> 19% No logo
>
> 116 votes"
Ah, but what _color_ should the bikeshed be? :-)
- Ted
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* Re: [kernel-hardening] Any artists around?
2016-10-05 22:32 ` Solar Designer
2016-10-06 2:24 ` Theodore Ts'o
@ 2016-10-06 2:27 ` Jann Horn
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From: Jann Horn @ 2016-10-06 2:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Solar Designer; +Cc: kernel-hardening
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On Thu, Oct 06, 2016 at 12:32:20AM +0200, Solar Designer wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 03, 2016 at 12:59:31PM -0700, Kees Cook wrote:
> > On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 12:34 PM, Solar Designer <solar@openwall.com> wrote:
> > > On Mon, Oct 03, 2016 at 12:16:07PM -0700, Kees Cook wrote:
> > >> Does anyone have some suggestions or sketches for a logo we could use?
> > >
> > > How about a bikeshed? It would convey how hardening is not "perfect
> > > security", and ack the irony of spending time on discussing a logo.
> > > I don't even have a preference as to which color the bikeshed should be.
> >
> > Haha, yes, exactly. This is the opening image I used in my slides
> > covering the uid-0/ring-0 lockdown series at LSS on 2014:
> >
> > https://outflux.net/bikeshed.jpg
>
> Oh, cool. Meanwhile, my Twitter poll ended in favor of bikeshed:
>
> https://twitter.com/solardiz/status/783033528736940032
>
> "What should (Linux) Kernel Self Protection Project's logo be?
>
> 32% A fancy penguin
> 42% A bikeshed
> 7% Other (please tweet what)
> 19% No logo
>
> 116 votes"
>
> A bikeshed would also ack the grsecurity project's opinion (as I
> understand it) that trying to upstream hardening changes (through the
> hoops) is sort of bikeshedding (in comparison with having made such
> changes) or that the typical initial response (those hoops) is
> bikeshedding, and that some of those changes (not in grsecurity) are a
> bikeshed on their own. This shouldn't stop us, but we can troll
> ourselves a bit by ack'ing this dissenting opinion in the logo. ;-)
A bikeshed sounds good, but maybe we can split the bikeshed image into
a few tiles and rearrange them? You know, kASLR?
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* RE: [kernel-hardening] Any artists around?
2016-10-06 2:24 ` Theodore Ts'o
@ 2016-10-06 6:50 ` Schaufler, Casey
2016-10-06 21:29 ` Kees Cook
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From: Schaufler, Casey @ 2016-10-06 6:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Theodore Ts'o [mailto:tytso@mit.edu]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2016 7:25 PM
> To: kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com
> Subject: Re: [kernel-hardening] Any artists around?
>
> On Thu, Oct 06, 2016 at 12:32:20AM +0200, Solar Designer wrote:
> >
> > Oh, cool. Meanwhile, my Twitter poll ended in favor of bikeshed:
> >
> > https://twitter.com/solardiz/status/783033528736940032
> >
> > "What should (Linux) Kernel Self Protection Project's logo be?
> >
> > 32% A fancy penguin
> > 42% A bikeshed
> > 7% Other (please tweet what)
> > 19% No logo
> >
> > 116 votes"
>
> Ah, but what _color_ should the bikeshed be? :-)
Blue! No, Red! Ahhhhhhhhh!
>
> - Ted
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* Re: [kernel-hardening] Any artists around?
2016-10-06 6:50 ` Schaufler, Casey
@ 2016-10-06 21:29 ` Kees Cook
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From: Kees Cook @ 2016-10-06 21:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com
On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 11:50 PM, Schaufler, Casey
<casey.schaufler@intel.com> wrote:
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Theodore Ts'o [mailto:tytso@mit.edu]
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2016 7:25 PM
>> To: kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com
>> Subject: Re: [kernel-hardening] Any artists around?
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 06, 2016 at 12:32:20AM +0200, Solar Designer wrote:
>> >
>> > Oh, cool. Meanwhile, my Twitter poll ended in favor of bikeshed:
>> >
>> > https://twitter.com/solardiz/status/783033528736940032
>> >
>> > "What should (Linux) Kernel Self Protection Project's logo be?
>> >
>> > 32% A fancy penguin
>> > 42% A bikeshed
>> > 7% Other (please tweet what)
>> > 19% No logo
>> >
>> > 116 votes"
>>
>> Ah, but what _color_ should the bikeshed be? :-)
>
> Blue! No, Red! Ahhhhhhhhh!
New logo idea: the face of the Bridge Keeper of the Bridge of Death. ;)
http://villains.wikia.com/wiki/Bridge_Keeper
-Kees
--
Kees Cook
Nexus Security
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* Re: [kernel-hardening] Any artists around?
2016-10-05 7:08 ` James Morris
@ 2016-10-06 21:30 ` Kees Cook
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From: Kees Cook @ 2016-10-06 21:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com
On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 12:08 AM, James Morris <jmorris@namei.org> wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Oct 2016, Kees Cook wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 12:27 PM, Yves-Alexis Perez <corsac@debian.org> wrote:
>> > On Mon, 2016-10-03 at 12:16 -0700, Kees Cook wrote:
>> >> Does anyone have some suggestions or sketches for a logo we could use?
>> >
>> > What about http://kernsec.org/images/overlord59-tux-halo.png from kernsec
>> > wiki?
>>
>> What's the origin of that one, exactly? Maybe James knows?
>
> As I recall, it's from this artist:
>
> http://overlord59.deviantart.com/
Hilariously, it seems that at least Linux Foundation decided that it's
KSPP's logo already. I just noticed it at the bottom of
https://www.coreinfrastructure.org/grants
-Kees
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Kees Cook
Nexus Security
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