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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
To: James Bottomley
	<James.Bottomley-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>,
	Stefan Berger
	<stefanb-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
Cc: dhowells-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-security-module-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	tpmdd-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org,
	open list <linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 6/7] tpm: expose spaces via a device link /dev/tpms<n>
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 10:28:34 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170227172834.GH5891@obsidianresearch.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1488042289.2250.22.camel-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>

On Sat, Feb 25, 2017 at 12:04:49PM -0500, James Bottomley wrote:

> >  device cgroup blocks access to the cdevs of tpm0 but not to the
> > sysfs files.
> 
> What the device cgroup currently does for us and what it could do are
> two different things.  It seems if it exported
> __devcgroup_check_permission, we could use that as a check to gate the
> sysfs file access.

Make sense, maybe we should be doing that..

Stefan, are you still interested in this? This seems like a fairly
simple solution to your problem???

> > I am talking about using a situation like kernel IMA or keyring in 
> > the container with a tpm that is not tpm0, eg a vtpm.
> 
> a vtpm appears as a tpm device so it can be controlled by the device
> cgroup ... I think I'm not seeing the issue.

When an in-kernel call opens the TPM it does not go through the cdev,
it does something like this:

extern int tpm_pcr_read(u32 chip_num, int pcr_idx, u8 *res_buf);

And hardwires 'chip_num' to TPM_ANY_NUM. Keyring does the same (see
trusted_instantiate)

Practically speaking this means in-kernel callers pretty much always
operate on tpm0.

I think we need to change TPM_ANY_NUM to something more container
friendly, but I'm not sure what that should be.

> be done at all) it's usually better to start with use cases.  So
> instead of saying we need to virtualize the PCRs we should start with X
> container has this requirement for attestation of its Y state.  Often
> the best way simply is an extension of the multi user model for the
> resource ... in this case no-one's really come up with one for PCRs, so
> that might be the place to begin.

Broadly makes sense to me.

Maybe kernel keyring is a better example, it already has a multi-user
model.

Jason

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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com>
To: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>,
	Stefan Berger <stefanb@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: dhowells@redhat.com, linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
	tpmdd-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
	open list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [tpmdd-devel] [PATCH v2 6/7] tpm: expose spaces via a device link /dev/tpms<n>
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 10:28:34 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170227172834.GH5891@obsidianresearch.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1488042289.2250.22.camel@HansenPartnership.com>

On Sat, Feb 25, 2017 at 12:04:49PM -0500, James Bottomley wrote:

> >  device cgroup blocks access to the cdevs of tpm0 but not to the
> > sysfs files.
> 
> What the device cgroup currently does for us and what it could do are
> two different things.  It seems if it exported
> __devcgroup_check_permission, we could use that as a check to gate the
> sysfs file access.

Make sense, maybe we should be doing that..

Stefan, are you still interested in this? This seems like a fairly
simple solution to your problem???

> > I am talking about using a situation like kernel IMA or keyring in 
> > the container with a tpm that is not tpm0, eg a vtpm.
> 
> a vtpm appears as a tpm device so it can be controlled by the device
> cgroup ... I think I'm not seeing the issue.

When an in-kernel call opens the TPM it does not go through the cdev,
it does something like this:

extern int tpm_pcr_read(u32 chip_num, int pcr_idx, u8 *res_buf);

And hardwires 'chip_num' to TPM_ANY_NUM. Keyring does the same (see
trusted_instantiate)

Practically speaking this means in-kernel callers pretty much always
operate on tpm0.

I think we need to change TPM_ANY_NUM to something more container
friendly, but I'm not sure what that should be.

> be done at all) it's usually better to start with use cases.  So
> instead of saying we need to virtualize the PCRs we should start with X
> container has this requirement for attestation of its Y state.  Often
> the best way simply is an extension of the multi user model for the
> resource ... in this case no-one's really come up with one for PCRs, so
> that might be the place to begin.

Broadly makes sense to me.

Maybe kernel keyring is a better example, it already has a multi-user
model.

Jason

  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-02-27 17:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-02-16 19:25 [PATCH v2 0/7] in-kernel resource manager Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-02-16 19:25 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
     [not found] ` <20170216192529.25467-1-jarkko.sakkinen-VuQAYsv1563Yd54FQh9/CA@public.gmane.org>
2017-02-16 19:25   ` [PATCH v2 1/7] tpm: move length validation to tpm_transmit() Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-02-16 19:25     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-02-16 19:25   ` [PATCH v2 2/7] tpm: validate TPM 2.0 commands Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-02-16 19:25     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-02-16 19:25   ` [PATCH v2 3/7] tpm: export tpm2_flush_context_cmd Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-02-16 19:25     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-02-16 19:25   ` [PATCH v2 4/7] tpm: infrastructure for TPM spaces Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-02-16 19:25     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-02-21 18:24     ` [tpmdd-devel] " Nayna
2017-02-22 17:39       ` James Bottomley
2017-02-22 20:56         ` Ken Goldman
2017-03-22 20:09         ` Ken Goldman
2017-03-22 20:09           ` Ken Goldman
2017-03-22 20:09           ` Ken Goldman
2017-03-23 15:56           ` [tpmdd-devel] " Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-03-23 15:56             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
     [not found]       ` <58AC85F2.5000406-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2017-02-22 17:08         ` Ken Goldman
2017-02-22 17:08           ` [tpmdd-devel] " Ken Goldman
2017-02-22 21:08         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-02-22 21:08           ` [tpmdd-devel] " Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-02-24 12:53     ` James Bottomley
2017-02-24 17:02       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-02-16 19:25   ` [PATCH v2 5/7] tpm: split out tpm-dev.c into tpm-dev.c and tpm-common-dev.c Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-02-16 19:25     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
     [not found]     ` <20170216192529.25467-6-jarkko.sakkinen-VuQAYsv1563Yd54FQh9/CA@public.gmane.org>
2017-02-23  9:04       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-02-23  9:04         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-02-16 19:25   ` [PATCH v2 7/7] tpm2: add session handle context saving and restoring to the space code Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-02-16 19:25     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-02-23  9:04     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-02-16 19:25 ` [PATCH v2 6/7] tpm: expose spaces via a device link /dev/tpms<n> Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-02-16 19:25   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-02-23  9:09   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
     [not found]     ` <20170223090917.jq7thil5ggjmagil-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-02-24 13:02       ` James Bottomley
2017-02-24 13:02         ` James Bottomley
2017-02-24 17:39         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
     [not found]           ` <20170224173922.qwuhfxeitbyct52o-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-02-24 18:11             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-02-24 18:11               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-02-24 20:29               ` James Bottomley
     [not found]                 ` <1487968155.2190.14.camel-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>
2017-02-24 20:52                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-02-24 20:52                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-02-24 23:01                     ` [tpmdd-devel] " James Bottomley
2017-02-24 23:23                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                         ` <20170224232327.GA9126-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-02-24 23:43                           ` James Bottomley
2017-02-24 23:43                             ` [tpmdd-devel] " James Bottomley
2017-02-25  0:25                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                               ` <20170225002514.GA10605-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-02-25 17:04                                 ` James Bottomley
2017-02-25 17:04                                   ` [tpmdd-devel] " James Bottomley
     [not found]                                   ` <1488042289.2250.22.camel-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>
2017-02-27 17:28                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2017-02-27 17:28                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-02-26 11:44         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-02-26 18:30           ` Dr. Greg Wettstein
     [not found]             ` <20170226183040.GA4272-DHO+NtfOqB5PEDpkEIzg7wC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2017-02-28 17:22               ` Ken Goldman
2017-02-28 17:22                 ` Ken Goldman
     [not found]           ` <20170226114440.5ksg3lx27ylekvbx-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-02-27 17:33             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-02-27 17:33               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-02-24  6:59   ` [tpmdd-devel] " Nayna
2017-02-24 12:53     ` James Bottomley
     [not found]       ` <1487940829.2249.15.camel-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>
2017-02-27 11:46         ` Nayna
2017-02-27 11:46           ` [tpmdd-devel] " Nayna
     [not found]           ` <58B41184.7020200-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2017-02-27 14:55             ` James Bottomley
2017-02-27 14:55               ` [tpmdd-devel] " James Bottomley

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