From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Dmitry Vyukov <dvyukov@google.com>,
Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
Andrey Ryabinin <aryabinin@virtuozzo.com>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
kasan-dev <kasan-dev@googlegroups.com>,
"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
"x86@kernel.org" <x86@kernel.org>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/3] asm-generic, x86: wrap atomic operations
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 11:51:51 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170328095151.GC30567@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170328092712.bk32k5iteqqm6pgh@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net>
* Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 09:52:32AM +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:
>
> > No, regular C code.
> >
> > I don't see the point of generating all this code via CPP - it's certainly not
> > making it more readable to me. I.e. this patch I commented on is a step backwards
> > for readability.
>
> Note that much of the atomic stuff we have today is all CPP already.
Yeah, but there it's implementational: we pick up arch primitives depending on
whether they are defined, such as:
#ifndef atomic_read_acquire
# define atomic_read_acquire(v) smp_load_acquire(&(v)->counter)
#endif
> x86 is the exception because its 'weird', but most other archs are
> almost pure CPP -- check Alpha for example, or asm-generic/atomic.h.
include/asm-generic/atomic.h looks pretty clean and readable overall.
> Also, look at linux/atomic.h, its a giant maze of CPP.
Nah, that's OK, much of is is essentially __weak inlines implemented via CPP -
i.e. CPP is filling in a missing compiler feature.
But this patch I replied to appears to add instrumentation wrappery via CPP which
looks like excessive and avoidable obfuscation to me.
If it's much more readable and much more compact than the C version then maybe,
but I'd like to see the C version first and see ...
> The CPP help us generate functions, reduces endless copy/paste (which induces
> random differences -- read bugs) and construct variants depending on the
> architecture input.
>
> Yes, the CPP is a pain, but writing all that out explicitly is more of a
> pain.
So I'm not convinced that it's true in this case.
Could we see the C version and compare? I could be wrong about it all.
Thanks,
Ingo
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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Dmitry Vyukov <dvyukov@google.com>,
Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
Andrey Ryabinin <aryabinin@virtuozzo.com>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
kasan-dev <kasan-dev@googlegroups.com>,
"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
"x86@kernel.org" <x86@kernel.org>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/3] asm-generic, x86: wrap atomic operations
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 11:51:51 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170328095151.GC30567@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170328092712.bk32k5iteqqm6pgh@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net>
* Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 09:52:32AM +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:
>
> > No, regular C code.
> >
> > I don't see the point of generating all this code via CPP - it's certainly not
> > making it more readable to me. I.e. this patch I commented on is a step backwards
> > for readability.
>
> Note that much of the atomic stuff we have today is all CPP already.
Yeah, but there it's implementational: we pick up arch primitives depending on
whether they are defined, such as:
#ifndef atomic_read_acquire
# define atomic_read_acquire(v) smp_load_acquire(&(v)->counter)
#endif
> x86 is the exception because its 'weird', but most other archs are
> almost pure CPP -- check Alpha for example, or asm-generic/atomic.h.
include/asm-generic/atomic.h looks pretty clean and readable overall.
> Also, look at linux/atomic.h, its a giant maze of CPP.
Nah, that's OK, much of is is essentially __weak inlines implemented via CPP -
i.e. CPP is filling in a missing compiler feature.
But this patch I replied to appears to add instrumentation wrappery via CPP which
looks like excessive and avoidable obfuscation to me.
If it's much more readable and much more compact than the C version then maybe,
but I'd like to see the C version first and see ...
> The CPP help us generate functions, reduces endless copy/paste (which induces
> random differences -- read bugs) and construct variants depending on the
> architecture input.
>
> Yes, the CPP is a pain, but writing all that out explicitly is more of a
> pain.
So I'm not convinced that it's true in this case.
Could we see the C version and compare? I could be wrong about it all.
Thanks,
Ingo
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2017-03-28 9:51 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-03-14 19:24 [PATCH 0/3] x86, kasan: add KASAN checks to atomic operations Dmitry Vyukov
2017-03-14 19:24 ` Dmitry Vyukov
2017-03-14 19:24 ` [PATCH 1/3] kasan: allow kasan_check_read/write() to accept pointers to volatiles Dmitry Vyukov
2017-03-14 19:24 ` Dmitry Vyukov
2017-03-14 19:24 ` [PATCH 2/3] asm-generic, x86: wrap atomic operations Dmitry Vyukov
2017-03-14 19:24 ` Dmitry Vyukov
2017-03-20 16:41 ` Andrey Ryabinin
2017-03-20 16:41 ` Andrey Ryabinin
2017-03-20 17:17 ` Mark Rutland
2017-03-20 17:17 ` Mark Rutland
2017-03-21 9:25 ` Andrey Ryabinin
2017-03-21 9:25 ` Andrey Ryabinin
2017-03-21 10:41 ` Mark Rutland
2017-03-21 10:41 ` Mark Rutland
2017-03-21 18:06 ` Dmitry Vyukov
2017-03-21 18:06 ` Dmitry Vyukov
2017-03-21 21:20 ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-03-21 21:20 ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-03-22 10:42 ` Dmitry Vyukov
2017-03-22 10:42 ` Dmitry Vyukov
2017-03-22 11:30 ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-03-22 11:30 ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-03-22 12:14 ` Dmitry Vyukov
2017-03-22 12:14 ` Dmitry Vyukov
2017-03-22 12:48 ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-03-22 12:48 ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-03-24 6:52 ` Ingo Molnar
2017-03-24 6:52 ` Ingo Molnar
2017-03-24 7:14 ` Dmitry Vyukov
2017-03-24 7:14 ` Dmitry Vyukov
2017-03-24 8:39 ` Dmitry Vyukov
2017-03-24 8:39 ` Dmitry Vyukov
2017-03-24 10:57 ` Ingo Molnar
2017-03-24 10:57 ` Ingo Molnar
2017-03-24 12:46 ` Dmitry Vyukov
2017-03-24 12:46 ` Dmitry Vyukov
2017-03-28 7:52 ` Ingo Molnar
2017-03-28 7:52 ` Ingo Molnar
2017-03-28 9:27 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-03-28 9:27 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-03-28 9:46 ` Dmitry Vyukov
2017-03-28 9:46 ` Dmitry Vyukov
2017-03-28 9:51 ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2017-03-28 9:51 ` Ingo Molnar
2017-03-28 9:56 ` Dmitry Vyukov
2017-03-28 9:56 ` Dmitry Vyukov
2017-03-28 10:15 ` Ingo Molnar
2017-03-28 10:15 ` Ingo Molnar
2017-03-28 16:29 ` Dmitry Vyukov
2017-03-28 16:29 ` Dmitry Vyukov
2017-03-14 19:24 ` [PATCH 3/3] asm-generic: add KASAN instrumentation to " Dmitry Vyukov
2017-03-14 19:24 ` Dmitry Vyukov
2017-03-30 22:30 ` [PATCH 0/3] x86, kasan: add KASAN checks " Andrew Morton
2017-03-30 22:30 ` Andrew Morton
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