From: Pekka Paalanen <ppaalanen@gmail.com>
To: Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>
Cc: Daniel Vetter <daniel.vetter@intel.com>,
amd-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org,
open list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org
Subject: Re: [RfC PATCH] drm: fourcc byteorder: brings header file comments in line with reality.
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2017 18:09:41 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170410180941.43922e25@eldfell> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1491833847.30990.77.camel@redhat.com>
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On Mon, 10 Apr 2017 16:17:27 +0200
Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> > which software have you used as representative of "reality"?
>
> ppc64 (big endian) virtual machine, running with qemu stdvga & bochs-drm
> driver. Xorg with modesetting driver uses DRM_FORMAT_XRGB8888 (one and
> only format supported by bochs-drm), and we have to interpret that in
> bigendian byte order on the host side to get a correct display.
I wonder if that is just an oversight from trying to match OpenGL
formats to DRM formats. It's full of gotcha's.
Did you try with GLAMOR? Do you see a difference with and without
GLAMOR? Hmm, but you have no GPU support, so GLAMOR would be through a
Mesa software renderer? I think I heard someone say something about
Mesa software on BE...
But even if this actually is a valid example of software we must keep
working as is, well, ouch. But if I cannot show that your fix breaks
anything, then I suppose you win. Your proposal would certainly solve
the dilemma we have with wl_shm formats in Wayland.
I also wonder if a real BE machine could have different results than
the virtual machine.
Thanks,
pq
> Didn't try wayland. Can do, but will take a while. Don't have a
> wayland-capable guest install at hand, and installing one takes a while
> because I don't have a physical pseries and emulation is slooooww.
>
> > To solve that problem, we would like to know if anything existing would
> > break for each possible solution, but no developers using BE have really
> > turned up.
>
> That is part of the problem.
> And even ppc is moving to little endian these days ...
>
> cheers,
> Gerd
>
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From: Pekka Paalanen <ppaalanen@gmail.com>
To: Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>
Cc: dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org,
open list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
amd-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org,
Daniel Vetter <daniel.vetter@intel.com>,
Ilia Mirkin <imirkin@alum.mit.edu>
Subject: Re: [RfC PATCH] drm: fourcc byteorder: brings header file comments in line with reality.
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2017 18:09:41 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170410180941.43922e25@eldfell> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1491833847.30990.77.camel@redhat.com>
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On Mon, 10 Apr 2017 16:17:27 +0200
Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> > which software have you used as representative of "reality"?
>
> ppc64 (big endian) virtual machine, running with qemu stdvga & bochs-drm
> driver. Xorg with modesetting driver uses DRM_FORMAT_XRGB8888 (one and
> only format supported by bochs-drm), and we have to interpret that in
> bigendian byte order on the host side to get a correct display.
I wonder if that is just an oversight from trying to match OpenGL
formats to DRM formats. It's full of gotcha's.
Did you try with GLAMOR? Do you see a difference with and without
GLAMOR? Hmm, but you have no GPU support, so GLAMOR would be through a
Mesa software renderer? I think I heard someone say something about
Mesa software on BE...
But even if this actually is a valid example of software we must keep
working as is, well, ouch. But if I cannot show that your fix breaks
anything, then I suppose you win. Your proposal would certainly solve
the dilemma we have with wl_shm formats in Wayland.
I also wonder if a real BE machine could have different results than
the virtual machine.
Thanks,
pq
> Didn't try wayland. Can do, but will take a while. Don't have a
> wayland-capable guest install at hand, and installing one takes a while
> because I don't have a physical pseries and emulation is slooooww.
>
> > To solve that problem, we would like to know if anything existing would
> > break for each possible solution, but no developers using BE have really
> > turned up.
>
> That is part of the problem.
> And even ppc is moving to little endian these days ...
>
> cheers,
> Gerd
>
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Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-04-10 10:12 [RfC PATCH] drm: fourcc byteorder: brings header file comments in line with reality Gerd Hoffmann
2017-04-10 10:12 ` Gerd Hoffmann
[not found] ` <20170410101202.19229-1-kraxel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-10 12:02 ` Daniel Vetter
2017-04-10 12:02 ` Daniel Vetter
[not found] ` <20170410120212.3igweieunldjcjuy-dv86pmgwkMBes7Z6vYuT8azUEOm+Xw19@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-10 16:28 ` Alex Deucher
2017-04-10 16:28 ` Alex Deucher
2017-04-10 13:12 ` Pekka Paalanen
2017-04-10 13:12 ` Pekka Paalanen
2017-04-10 14:17 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2017-04-10 14:17 ` Gerd Hoffmann
[not found] ` <1491833847.30990.77.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-10 14:45 ` Ilia Mirkin
2017-04-10 14:45 ` Ilia Mirkin
[not found] ` <CAKb7Uvgidg9_RkU0NJY7qwhcf0_Hyc0EGzWmvk0qqaf_YDW97g-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-10 16:26 ` Alex Deucher
2017-04-10 16:26 ` Alex Deucher
2017-04-10 15:09 ` Pekka Paalanen [this message]
2017-04-10 15:09 ` Pekka Paalanen
2017-04-10 16:10 ` Ilia Mirkin
2017-04-10 16:10 ` Ilia Mirkin
[not found] ` <CAKb7UvhbgSGwx-2EsrQrHmghzYqO9AhRQ10bDWKfdcXHc3fJeQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-11 7:31 ` Pekka Paalanen
2017-04-11 7:31 ` Pekka Paalanen
2017-04-11 11:23 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2017-04-11 11:23 ` Gerd Hoffmann
[not found] ` <1491909833.30990.93.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-13 7:44 ` Pekka Paalanen
2017-04-13 7:44 ` Pekka Paalanen
2017-04-11 14:18 ` Ilia Mirkin
2017-04-11 14:18 ` Ilia Mirkin
2017-04-17 6:43 ` Ilia Mirkin
2017-04-18 2:53 ` Michel Dänzer
2017-04-18 2:53 ` Michel Dänzer
2017-04-18 5:04 ` Ilia Mirkin
2017-04-18 5:04 ` Ilia Mirkin
2017-04-18 5:58 ` Michel Dänzer
2017-04-18 5:58 ` Michel Dänzer
[not found] ` <fe944ecc-3ca4-26d8-77bc-873a53dcbb3f-otUistvHUpPR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-18 10:14 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2017-04-18 10:14 ` Gerd Hoffmann
[not found] ` <1492510440.27392.27.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-19 1:01 ` Michel Dänzer
2017-04-19 1:01 ` Michel Dänzer
2017-04-19 3:19 ` Ilia Mirkin
2017-04-19 3:19 ` Ilia Mirkin
2017-04-19 3:28 ` Ilia Mirkin
2017-04-19 3:28 ` Ilia Mirkin
[not found] ` <4230c093-6a8a-76d6-dce8-f9b2300fa70f-otUistvHUpPR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-19 7:09 ` Pekka Paalanen
2017-04-19 7:09 ` Pekka Paalanen
2017-04-19 12:34 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2017-04-19 12:34 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2017-04-18 10:00 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2017-04-18 10:00 ` Gerd Hoffmann
[not found] ` <1492509617.27392.19.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-18 11:18 ` Pekka Paalanen
2017-04-18 11:18 ` Pekka Paalanen
2017-04-18 13:39 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2017-04-18 13:39 ` Gerd Hoffmann
[not found] ` <1492522793.27392.55.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-18 14:01 ` Pekka Paalanen
2017-04-18 14:01 ` Pekka Paalanen
2017-04-18 20:50 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2017-04-18 20:50 ` Gerd Hoffmann
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