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From: Davidlohr Bueso <dave@stgolabs.net>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"Luis R. Rodriguez" <mcgrof@kernel.org>,
	mfuzzey@parkeon.com, "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com>,
	Daniel Wagner <wagi@monom.org>,
	David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
	jewalt@lgsinnovations.com, rafal@milecki.pl,
	Arend Van Spriel <arend.vanspriel@broadcom.com>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>,
	"Li, Yi" <yi1.li@linux.intel.com>,
	atull@kernel.org, Moritz Fischer <moritz.fischer@ettus.com>,
	Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com>,
	Johannes Berg <johannes.berg@intel.com>,
	Emmanuel Grumbach <emmanuel.grumbach@intel.com>,
	"Coelho, Luciano" <luciano.coelho@intel.com>,
	Kalle Valo <kvalo@codeaurora.org>, Andrew Lutomirski <luto@ker>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/4] swait: add the missing killable swaits
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 11:33:39 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170629183339.GD3954@linux-80c1.suse> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFz=6XmH5MfwKLN6MZSyG8fAk-aD67mbDc1ZaKySzsq8aw@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, 29 Jun 2017, Linus Torvalds wrote:

>So without some very compelling reason, I'd not want to add yet
>another wait-queue.

Yes, I was expecting this and very much agree.

I'll actually take a look at wake_q for wake_up_all() and co. to see if
we can reduce the spinlock hold times. Of course it would only make sense
for more than a one wakeup.

>I actually think swait is pure garbage. Most users only wake up one
>process anyway, and using swait for that is stupid. If you only wake
>up one, you might as well just have a single process pointer, not a
>wait list at all, and then use "wake_up_process()".

But you still need the notion of a queue, even if you wake one task
at a time... I'm probably missing your point here.

>There is *one* single user of swake_up_all(), and that one looks like
>bogus crap also: it does it outside of the spinlock that could have
>been used to protect the queue - p,lus I'm not sure there's really a
>queue anyway, since I think it's just the grace-period kthread that is
>there.

So those cases when there's only one waiter I completely agree should
not be using waitqueues. pcpu-rwsems in the past suffered from this.

Thanks,
Davidlohr

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Davidlohr Bueso <dave@stgolabs.net>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"Luis R. Rodriguez" <mcgrof@kernel.org>,
	mfuzzey@parkeon.com, "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com>,
	Daniel Wagner <wagi@monom.org>,
	David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
	jewalt@lgsinnovations.com, rafal@milecki.pl,
	Arend Van Spriel <arend.vanspriel@broadcom.com>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>,
	"Li, Yi" <yi1.li@linux.intel.com>,
	atull@kernel.org, Moritz Fischer <moritz.fischer@ettus.com>,
	Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com>,
	Johannes Berg <johannes.berg@intel.com>,
	Emmanuel Grumbach <emmanuel.grumbach@intel.com>,
	"Coelho, Luciano" <luciano.coelho@intel.com>,
	Kalle Valo <kvalo@codeaurora.org>,
	Andrew Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	"AKASHI, Takahiro" <takahiro.akashi@linaro.org>,
	David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	Peter Jones <pjones@redhat.com>,
	Hans de Goede <hdegoede@redhat.com>,
	Alan Cox <alan@linux.intel.com>, Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Michael Kerrisk <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>,
	Paul Gortmaker <paul.gortmaker@windriver.com>,
	Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>,
	Matthew Wilcox <mawilcox@microsoft.com>,
	Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"stable # 4 . 6" <stable@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/4] swait: add the missing killable swaits
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 11:33:39 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170629183339.GD3954@linux-80c1.suse> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFz=6XmH5MfwKLN6MZSyG8fAk-aD67mbDc1ZaKySzsq8aw@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, 29 Jun 2017, Linus Torvalds wrote:

>So without some very compelling reason, I'd not want to add yet
>another wait-queue.

Yes, I was expecting this and very much agree.

I'll actually take a look at wake_q for wake_up_all() and co. to see if
we can reduce the spinlock hold times. Of course it would only make sense
for more than a one wakeup.

>I actually think swait is pure garbage. Most users only wake up one
>process anyway, and using swait for that is stupid. If you only wake
>up one, you might as well just have a single process pointer, not a
>wait list at all, and then use "wake_up_process()".

But you still need the notion of a queue, even if you wake one task
at a time... I'm probably missing your point here.

>There is *one* single user of swake_up_all(), and that one looks like
>bogus crap also: it does it outside of the spinlock that could have
>been used to protect the queue - p,lus I'm not sure there's really a
>queue anyway, since I think it's just the grace-period kthread that is
>there.

So those cases when there's only one waiter I completely agree should
not be using waitqueues. pcpu-rwsems in the past suffered from this.

Thanks,
Davidlohr

  reply	other threads:[~2017-06-29 18:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-06-14 22:20 [PATCH 0/4] firmware: fix fallback mechanism by ignoring SIGCHLD Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-14 22:20 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-14 22:20 ` [PATCH 1/4] test_firmware: add test case for SIGCHLD on sync fallback Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-14 22:20   ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-14 22:20 ` [PATCH 2/4] swait: add the missing killable swaits Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-14 22:20   ` Luis R. Rodriguez
     [not found]   ` <20170614222017.14653-3-mcgrof-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-29 12:54     ` Greg KH
2017-06-29 12:54       ` Greg KH
     [not found]       ` <20170629125402.GH26046-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-29 13:05         ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-06-29 13:05           ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-06-29 13:35           ` Greg KH
2017-06-29 13:35             ` Greg KH
2017-06-29 13:46             ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-06-29 13:46               ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-06-29 16:13               ` Linus Torvalds
2017-06-29 16:13                 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-06-29 16:31                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-06-29 16:31                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-06-29 17:29                   ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-29 17:29                     ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-29 17:40                 ` Davidlohr Bueso
2017-06-29 17:40                   ` Davidlohr Bueso
2017-06-29 17:57                   ` Linus Torvalds
2017-06-29 17:57                     ` Linus Torvalds
2017-06-29 18:33                     ` Davidlohr Bueso [this message]
2017-06-29 18:33                       ` Davidlohr Bueso
     [not found]                       ` <20170629183339.GD3954-3dK4OQgjB4rH06JGZaSw0A@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-29 18:59                         ` Linus Torvalds
2017-06-29 18:59                           ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found]                           ` <CA+55aFz8Mhx+A-g-5yOG-O1ZLRUR_fpeeA4iBNGH8EnDBZEdpA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-29 19:40                             ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-29 19:40                               ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-29 19:44                               ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-29 19:44                                 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
     [not found]                                 ` <20170629194455.GR21846-B4tOwbsTzaBolqkO4TVVkw@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-29 20:58                                   ` Jakub Kicinski
2017-06-29 20:58                                     ` Jakub Kicinski
2017-06-29 22:50                                     ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-29 22:50                                       ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-29 22:53                                       ` Jakub Kicinski
2017-06-29 22:53                                         ` Jakub Kicinski
2017-06-29 23:00                                         ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-29 23:00                                           ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-29 23:06                                           ` Jakub Kicinski
2017-06-29 23:06                                             ` Jakub Kicinski
     [not found]                                       ` <20170629225003.GU21846-B4tOwbsTzaBolqkO4TVVkw@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-12 21:33                                         ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-07-12 21:33                                           ` Luis R. Rodriguez
     [not found]                               ` <20170629194015.GQ21846-B4tOwbsTzaBolqkO4TVVkw@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-29 20:57                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-06-29 20:57                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2017-07-05  2:06                       ` Davidlohr Bueso
2017-07-05  2:06                         ` Davidlohr Bueso
     [not found]                         ` <20170705020635.GD11168-3dK4OQgjB4rH06JGZaSw0A@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-07 19:58                           ` Linus Torvalds
2017-07-07 19:58                             ` Linus Torvalds
2017-07-07 22:27                             ` Davidlohr Bueso
2017-07-07 22:27                               ` Davidlohr Bueso
2017-07-07 22:48                               ` Linus Torvalds
2017-07-07 22:48                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-06-29 19:15                 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2017-06-29 19:15                   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2017-06-29 19:15                   ` Marcelo Tosatti
     [not found]                   ` <20170629191506.GB12368-I4X2Mt4zSy4@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-30  4:03                     ` Linus Torvalds
2017-06-30  4:03                       ` Linus Torvalds
2017-06-30 11:55                       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2017-06-30 11:55                         ` Marcelo Tosatti
2017-06-30 11:55                         ` Marcelo Tosatti
2017-06-30 11:57                       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2017-06-30 11:57                         ` Marcelo Tosatti
2017-06-30 17:30                       ` Krister Johansen
2017-06-30 17:30                         ` Krister Johansen
2017-06-14 22:20 ` [PATCH 3/4] firmware: avoid invalid fallback aborts by using killable swait Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-14 22:20   ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-14 22:20 ` [PATCH 4/4] firmware: send -EINTR on signal abort on fallback mechanism Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-14 22:20   ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-15  7:49 ` [PATCH 0/4] firmware: fix fallback mechanism by ignoring SIGCHLD Martin Fuzzey
     [not found] ` <20170614222017.14653-1-mcgrof-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-26 21:19   ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-26 21:19     ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-29 15:14   ` Greg KH
2017-06-29 15:14     ` Greg KH
     [not found]     ` <20170629151442.GA4880-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-29 17:29       ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-29 17:29         ` Luis R. Rodriguez

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