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From: Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>
To: Ard Biesheuvel <ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org>
Cc: Miles Chen <miles.chen@mediatek.com>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	"linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org"
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-mediatek@lists.infradead.org, wsd_upstream@mediatek.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] arm64: correct modules range of kernel virtual memory layout
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2017 15:01:39 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170807140138.GB18817@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKv+Gu9qD_-GNHus5txiqj9eHLpU5S7RX8QxYeUG17Ok0QNz-A@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Aug 07, 2017 at 02:18:00PM +0100, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
> On 7 August 2017 at 14:16, Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com> wrote:
> > On Mon, Aug 07, 2017 at 07:04:46PM +0800, Miles Chen wrote:
> >> The commit f80fb3a3d508 ("arm64: add support for kernel ASLR")
> >> moved module virtual address to
> >> [module_alloc_base, module_alloc_base + MODULES_VSIZE).
> >>
> >> Display module information of the virtual kernel
> >> memory layout by using module_alloc_base.
> >>
> >> testing output:
> >> 1) Current implementation:
> >> Virtual kernel memory layout:
> >>       modules : 0xffffff8000000000 - 0xffffff8008000000   (   128 MB)
> >> 2) this patch + KASLR:
> >> Virtual kernel memory layout:
> >>       modules : 0xffffff8000560000 - 0xffffff8008560000   (   128 MB)
> >> 3) this patch + KASLR and a dummy seed:
> >> Virtual kernel memory layout:
> >>       modules : 0xffffffa7df637000 - 0xffffffa7e7637000   (   128 MB)
> >>
> >> Signed-off-by: Miles Chen <miles.chen@mediatek.com>
> >> ---
> >>  arch/arm64/mm/init.c | 5 +++--
> >>  1 file changed, 3 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
> >
> > Does this mean the modules code in our pt dumper is busted
> > (arch/arm64/mm/dump.c)? Also, what about KASAN, which uses these addresses
> > too (in kasan_init)? Should we just remove MODULES_VADDR and MODULES_END
> > altogether?
> >
> 
> I don't think we need this patch. The 'module' line simply prints the
> VA region that is reserved for modules. The fact that we end up
> putting them elsewhere when running randomized does not necessarily
> mean this line should reflect that.

I was more concerned by other users of MODULES_VADDR tbh, although I see
now that we don't randomize the module region if kasan is enabled. Still,
the kcore code adds the modules region as a separate area (distinct from
vmalloc) if MODULES_VADDR is defined, the page table dumping code uses
MODULES_VADDR to identify the module region and I think we'll get false
positives from is_vmalloc_or_module_addr, which again uses the static
region.

So, given that MODULES_VADDR never points at the module area, can't we get
rid of it?

Will

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From: will.deacon@arm.com (Will Deacon)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH] arm64: correct modules range of kernel virtual memory layout
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2017 15:01:39 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170807140138.GB18817@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKv+Gu9qD_-GNHus5txiqj9eHLpU5S7RX8QxYeUG17Ok0QNz-A@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Aug 07, 2017 at 02:18:00PM +0100, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
> On 7 August 2017 at 14:16, Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com> wrote:
> > On Mon, Aug 07, 2017 at 07:04:46PM +0800, Miles Chen wrote:
> >> The commit f80fb3a3d508 ("arm64: add support for kernel ASLR")
> >> moved module virtual address to
> >> [module_alloc_base, module_alloc_base + MODULES_VSIZE).
> >>
> >> Display module information of the virtual kernel
> >> memory layout by using module_alloc_base.
> >>
> >> testing output:
> >> 1) Current implementation:
> >> Virtual kernel memory layout:
> >>       modules : 0xffffff8000000000 - 0xffffff8008000000   (   128 MB)
> >> 2) this patch + KASLR:
> >> Virtual kernel memory layout:
> >>       modules : 0xffffff8000560000 - 0xffffff8008560000   (   128 MB)
> >> 3) this patch + KASLR and a dummy seed:
> >> Virtual kernel memory layout:
> >>       modules : 0xffffffa7df637000 - 0xffffffa7e7637000   (   128 MB)
> >>
> >> Signed-off-by: Miles Chen <miles.chen@mediatek.com>
> >> ---
> >>  arch/arm64/mm/init.c | 5 +++--
> >>  1 file changed, 3 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
> >
> > Does this mean the modules code in our pt dumper is busted
> > (arch/arm64/mm/dump.c)? Also, what about KASAN, which uses these addresses
> > too (in kasan_init)? Should we just remove MODULES_VADDR and MODULES_END
> > altogether?
> >
> 
> I don't think we need this patch. The 'module' line simply prints the
> VA region that is reserved for modules. The fact that we end up
> putting them elsewhere when running randomized does not necessarily
> mean this line should reflect that.

I was more concerned by other users of MODULES_VADDR tbh, although I see
now that we don't randomize the module region if kasan is enabled. Still,
the kcore code adds the modules region as a separate area (distinct from
vmalloc) if MODULES_VADDR is defined, the page table dumping code uses
MODULES_VADDR to identify the module region and I think we'll get false
positives from is_vmalloc_or_module_addr, which again uses the static
region.

So, given that MODULES_VADDR never points at the module area, can't we get
rid of it?

Will

  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-08-07 14:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-08-07 11:04 [PATCH] arm64: correct modules range of kernel virtual memory layout Miles Chen
2017-08-07 11:04 ` Miles Chen
2017-08-07 11:04 ` Miles Chen
2017-08-07 13:16 ` Will Deacon
2017-08-07 13:16   ` Will Deacon
2017-08-07 13:18   ` Ard Biesheuvel
2017-08-07 13:18     ` Ard Biesheuvel
2017-08-07 13:36     ` Miles Chen
2017-08-07 13:36       ` Miles Chen
2017-08-07 13:36       ` Miles Chen
2017-08-07 13:42       ` Ard Biesheuvel
2017-08-07 13:42         ` Ard Biesheuvel
2017-08-07 14:01     ` Will Deacon [this message]
2017-08-07 14:01       ` Will Deacon
2017-08-08  4:44       ` Miles Chen
2017-08-08  4:44         ` Miles Chen
2017-08-08  4:44         ` Miles Chen
2017-08-08  5:27         ` Miles Chen
2017-08-08  5:27           ` Miles Chen
2017-08-08  5:27           ` Miles Chen
2017-08-08 13:19           ` Will Deacon
2017-08-08 13:19             ` Will Deacon
2017-08-08 14:04             ` Ard Biesheuvel
2017-08-08 14:04               ` Ard Biesheuvel
2017-08-08 14:18               ` Will Deacon
2017-08-08 14:18                 ` Will Deacon
2017-08-08 14:25                 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2017-08-08 14:25                   ` Ard Biesheuvel

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