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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>
Cc: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linuxfoundation.org>,
	x86@kernel.org, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	David Woodhouse <dwmw@amazon.co.uk>,
	Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>,
	Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Arjan Van De Ven <arjan.van.de.ven@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [patch RFC 5/5] x86/speculation: Add basic speculation control code
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 10:22:34 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180110092234.GY29822@worktop.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ce6c99be-b8ea-f789-ca7c-625c99b2a7a2@intel.com>

On Tue, Jan 09, 2018 at 06:02:53PM -0800, Dave Hansen wrote:
> On 01/09/2018 05:06 PM, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> > --- a/arch/x86/kernel/cpu/bugs.c
> > +++ b/arch/x86/kernel/cpu/bugs.c
> > @@ -79,6 +79,7 @@ enum spectre_v2_mitigation_cmd {
> >  	SPECTRE_V2_CMD_RETPOLINE,
> >  	SPECTRE_V2_CMD_RETPOLINE_GENERIC,
> >  	SPECTRE_V2_CMD_RETPOLINE_AMD,
> > +	SPECTRE_V2_CMD_IBRS,
> >  };
> 
> A few nits on this:
> 
> IBRS should not default on anywhere, which goes double when retpolines
> are available.
> 
> I think I'd also prefer that we separate the IBRS and retpoline enabling
> so that you can do both if you want.  They do nearly the same thing in
> practice, but I can't convince myself that you never ever need IBRS once
> retpolines are in place.

As per:

https://lkml.kernel.org/r/1515460999.4423.104.camel@amazon.co.uk

IBRS=2 (always on) is preferred for SKL+ over retpoline.

And from what I gather IBRS=1 is never better than retpoline, IBRS=1 is
both slower and covers less AFAIU (please educate if I'm wrong).

>From this point, I would prefer to not even have the IBRS=1 code.

The only question I have is if retpoline works at all on SKL (with ucode
update); BDW needs the ucode update for retpoline to work because of the
RSB fallback.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-01-10  9:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-01-10  1:06 [patch RFC 0/5] x86/spectre_v2: Initial integration of IBRS into the spectre_v2 mechanics Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-10  1:06 ` [patch RFC 1/5] x86/CPU: Sync CPU feature flags late Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-10  1:37   ` Dave Hansen
2018-01-10  1:39     ` Van De Ven, Arjan
2018-01-10  1:47       ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-10  2:57         ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-01-10 11:02           ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-10  1:44     ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-10  6:20     ` Ingo Molnar
2018-01-10 11:33       ` Borislav Petkov
2018-01-10 12:38         ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-10  1:06 ` [patch RFC 2/5] x86/spectre: Simplify spectre code a bit Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-10  6:22   ` Ingo Molnar
2018-01-10  1:06 ` [patch RFC 3/5] x86/spectre: Prepare for IBRS selection Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-10  1:51   ` Dave Hansen
2018-01-10  1:06 ` [patch RFC 4/5] x86/cpufeatures: Detect Speculation control feature Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-10  6:32   ` Ingo Molnar
2018-01-10 11:06     ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-10  1:06 ` [patch RFC 5/5] x86/speculation: Add basic speculation control code Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-10  2:02   ` Dave Hansen
2018-01-10  4:11     ` Justin Forbes
2018-01-10  9:22     ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2018-01-10  9:27       ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-10 10:03         ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-10 11:22           ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-10 11:41             ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-10 11:45             ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-10 11:54         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-01-10 11:58           ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-10 12:01             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-01-10 12:07               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-01-10 12:12                 ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-10 12:20                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-01-10 12:27                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-01-10 13:42                     ` Van De Ven, Arjan
2018-01-10 12:09               ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-10 12:17                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-01-10 12:29                   ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-10 12:41                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-01-10 12:47                       ` Jiri Kosina
2018-01-10 12:51                         ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-10 13:02                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-01-10 13:05                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-01-10 13:10                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-01-10 13:12                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-01-10 12:57                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-01-10 13:07                           ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-10 13:45                             ` Van De Ven, Arjan
2018-01-10 13:52                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-01-10 13:53                                 ` Van De Ven, Arjan
2018-01-10 21:35                                   ` Tim Chen
2018-01-10 22:13                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-01-10 13:46                             ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-10 13:51                               ` Van De Ven, Arjan
2018-01-10 13:53                                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-10 13:58                               ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-10 14:10                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-01-10 14:14                                 ` Van De Ven, Arjan
2018-01-10 14:59                                 ` Dave Hansen
2018-01-10 15:13                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-01-10 15:24                                     ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-10 15:47                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-01-10 15:56                                         ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-10 13:10                           ` Jiri Kosina

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