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From: will.deacon@arm.com (Will Deacon)
To: linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [RFC PATCH] riscv/locking: Strengthen spin_lock() and spin_unlock()
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 16:24:27 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180226162426.GB17158@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFwu5jat5vV-d6RVaUFo=Bjeyv-7eXWUJySg6xFUTnfbWQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 08:06:59AM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 6:21 AM, Luc Maranget <luc.maranget@inria.fr> wrote:
> >
> > That is, locks are not implemented from more basic primitive but are specified.
> > The specification can be described as behaving that way:
> >   - A lock behaves as a read-modify-write. the read behaving as a read-acquire
> 
> This is wrong, or perhaps just misleading.
> 
> The *whole* r-m-w acts as an acquire. Not just the read part. The
> write is very much part of it.
> 
> Maybe that's what you meant, but it read to me as "just the read part
> of the rmw behaves as a read-acquire".
> 
> Because it is very important that the _write_ part of the rmw is also
> ordered wrt everything that is inside the spinlock.
> 
> So doing a spinlock as
> 
>  (a) read-locked-acquire
>    modify
>  (c) write-conditional
> 
> would be wrong, because the accesses inside the spinlock are ordered
> not just wrt the read-acquire, they have to be ordered wrt the write
> too.
> 
> So it is closer to say that it's the _write_ of the r-m-w sequence
> that has the acquire semantics, not the read.

Strictly speaking, that's not what we've got implemented on arm64: only
the read part of the RmW has Acquire semantics, but there is a total
order on the lock/unlock operations for the lock. For example, if one
CPU does:

spin_lock(&lock);
WRITE_ONCE(foo, 42);

then another CPU could do:

if (smp_load_acquire(&foo) == 42)
	BUG_ON(!spin_is_locked(&lock));

and that could fire. Is that relied on somewhere?

Will

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Luc Maranget <luc.maranget@inria.fr>,
	Daniel Lustig <dlustig@nvidia.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Andrea Parri <parri.andrea@gmail.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Palmer Dabbelt <palmer@sifive.com>, Albert Ou <albert@sifive.com>,
	Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
	Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	Nicholas Piggin <npiggin@gmail.com>,
	David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	Jade Alglave <j.alglave@ucl.ac.uk>,
	Akira Yokosawa <akiyks@gmail.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] riscv/locking: Strengthen spin_lock() and spin_unlock()
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 16:24:27 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180226162426.GB17158@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFwu5jat5vV-d6RVaUFo=Bjeyv-7eXWUJySg6xFUTnfbWQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 08:06:59AM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 6:21 AM, Luc Maranget <luc.maranget@inria.fr> wrote:
> >
> > That is, locks are not implemented from more basic primitive but are specified.
> > The specification can be described as behaving that way:
> >   - A lock behaves as a read-modify-write. the read behaving as a read-acquire
> 
> This is wrong, or perhaps just misleading.
> 
> The *whole* r-m-w acts as an acquire. Not just the read part. The
> write is very much part of it.
> 
> Maybe that's what you meant, but it read to me as "just the read part
> of the rmw behaves as a read-acquire".
> 
> Because it is very important that the _write_ part of the rmw is also
> ordered wrt everything that is inside the spinlock.
> 
> So doing a spinlock as
> 
>  (a) read-locked-acquire
>    modify
>  (c) write-conditional
> 
> would be wrong, because the accesses inside the spinlock are ordered
> not just wrt the read-acquire, they have to be ordered wrt the write
> too.
> 
> So it is closer to say that it's the _write_ of the r-m-w sequence
> that has the acquire semantics, not the read.

Strictly speaking, that's not what we've got implemented on arm64: only
the read part of the RmW has Acquire semantics, but there is a total
order on the lock/unlock operations for the lock. For example, if one
CPU does:

spin_lock(&lock);
WRITE_ONCE(foo, 42);

then another CPU could do:

if (smp_load_acquire(&foo) == 42)
	BUG_ON(!spin_is_locked(&lock));

and that could fire. Is that relied on somewhere?

Will

  reply	other threads:[~2018-02-26 16:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-02-22 12:19 [RFC PATCH] riscv/locking: Strengthen spin_lock() and spin_unlock() Andrea Parri
2018-02-22 12:19 ` Andrea Parri
2018-02-22 12:44 ` Andrea Parri
2018-02-22 12:44   ` Andrea Parri
2018-02-22 13:40 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-02-22 13:40   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-02-22 14:12   ` Andrea Parri
2018-02-22 14:12     ` Andrea Parri
2018-02-22 17:27     ` Daniel Lustig
2018-02-22 17:27       ` Daniel Lustig
2018-02-22 18:13       ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-02-22 18:13         ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-02-22 18:27         ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-02-22 18:27           ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-02-22 19:47           ` Daniel Lustig
2018-02-22 19:47             ` Daniel Lustig
2018-02-23 11:16             ` Andrea Parri
2018-02-23 11:16               ` Andrea Parri
2018-02-26 10:39             ` Will Deacon
2018-02-26 10:39               ` Will Deacon
2018-02-26 14:21             ` Luc Maranget
2018-02-26 14:21               ` Luc Maranget
2018-02-26 16:06               ` Linus Torvalds
2018-02-26 16:06                 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-02-26 16:24                 ` Will Deacon [this message]
2018-02-26 16:24                   ` Will Deacon
2018-02-26 17:00                   ` Linus Torvalds
2018-02-26 17:00                     ` Linus Torvalds
2018-02-26 17:10                     ` Will Deacon
2018-02-26 17:10                       ` Will Deacon
2018-03-06 13:00                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-03-06 13:00                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-02-27  5:06                   ` Boqun Feng
2018-02-27  5:06                     ` Boqun Feng
2018-02-27 10:16                     ` Boqun Feng
2018-02-27 10:16                       ` Boqun Feng
2018-03-01 15:11             ` Andrea Parri
2018-03-01 15:11               ` Andrea Parri
2018-03-01 21:54               ` Palmer Dabbelt
2018-03-01 21:54                 ` Palmer Dabbelt
2018-03-01 22:21                 ` Daniel Lustig
2018-03-01 22:21                   ` Daniel Lustig
2018-02-22 20:02           ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-02-22 20:02             ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-02-22 18:21       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-02-22 18:21         ` Peter Zijlstra

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