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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Siwei Liu <loseweigh@gmail.com>
Cc: "Samudrala, Sridhar" <sridhar.samudrala@intel.com>,
	Alexander Duyck <alexander.duyck@gmail.com>,
	Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>,
	Stephen Hemminger <stephen@networkplumber.org>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org, "Brandeburg,
	Jesse" <jesse.brandeburg@intel.com>,
	"Duyck, Alexander H" <alexander.h.duyck@intel.com>,
	Jakub Kicinski <kubakici@wp.pl>
Subject: Re: [virtio-dev] Re: [PATCH v4 2/2] virtio_net: Extend virtio to use VF datapath when available
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 06:00:07 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180304055802-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CADGSJ223dPtspMBcT8RPWsVYUbfMhVHU8FvwURQVDi2aFY+6Tg@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Mar 02, 2018 at 02:26:48PM -0800, Siwei Liu wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 1:31 PM, Michael S. Tsirkin <mst@redhat.com> wrote:
> > On Fri, Mar 02, 2018 at 12:44:56PM -0800, Siwei Liu wrote:
> >> On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 12:10 PM, Michael S. Tsirkin <mst@redhat.com> wrote:
> >> > On Fri, Mar 02, 2018 at 11:52:27AM -0800, Samudrala, Sridhar wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On 3/2/2018 11:41 AM, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> >> >> > On Fri, Mar 02, 2018 at 07:26:25AM -0800, Alexander Duyck wrote:
> >> >> > > The design limits things to a 1:1 relationship since we just have the
> >> >> > > child and backup pointers, but I don't think I am seeing exception
> >> >> > > handling to prevent us from overwriting the child pointers so there
> >> >> > > may be a leak there.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Thanks.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > - Alex
> >> >> > In fact maintaining a list in that case would be nicer, and
> >> >> > just use an arbitrary one.
> >> >> > E.g. one can see how a user wanting to swap device 1 for device 2
> >> >> > might first add device 2 with same MAC then drop device 1.
> >> >>
> >> >> It should be possible to swap VF1 with VF2 by
> >> >> 1.- enabling virtio link
> >> >> 2.- unplugging VF1
> >> >> 3.- plugging VF2
> >> >> 4.- disabling virtio link
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > True, but it isn't hard to avoid breakage if user
> >> > swapped steps 2 and 3. No need to make it more
> >> > fragile that it has to be.
> >>
> >> The migration case, VF2 is associated with another PF on another
> >> machine (destination), I wonder how it is possible.
> >
> > E.g. you want to remove the PF so you unplug the VF
> > then add another VF of the same PF.
> >
> >> Even with local plugging of VF2 on the same PF, the MAC address
> >> requirement (VF1's == VF2's) would fail the MAC address assignment on
> >> VF2.
> >>
> >> -Siwei
> >
> > Why would it fail? These are separate cards.
> 
> OK. I realized that you may talk about assigning a VF on a diffferent
> PF (VF1 on PF1 while VF2 on PF2). And we might assign a pass-through
> device rather than a VF. Yes, it's indeed possible that may happen but
> I take it as a further step down (another patch maybe) as it would
> involve changes to notify the network with gratuituious ARP and/or
> unsolicited ND advertisement of the MAC address association with the
> new port.
> 
> -Siwei

Interesting point. I guess that's a limitation in the curent patch then:
virtio and PT device must be connected to the same physical NIC.
Worth documenting.

> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > MST
> >> >
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> >> >

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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Siwei Liu <loseweigh@gmail.com>
Cc: "Samudrala, Sridhar" <sridhar.samudrala@intel.com>,
	Alexander Duyck <alexander.duyck@gmail.com>,
	Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>,
	Stephen Hemminger <stephen@networkplumber.org>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org, "Brandeburg,
	Jesse" <jesse.brandeburg@intel.com>,
	"Duyck, Alexander H" <alexander.h.duyck@intel.com>,
	Jakub Kicinski <kubakici@wp.pl>
Subject: Re: Re: [PATCH v4 2/2] virtio_net: Extend virtio to use VF datapath when available
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 06:00:07 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180304055802-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CADGSJ223dPtspMBcT8RPWsVYUbfMhVHU8FvwURQVDi2aFY+6Tg@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Mar 02, 2018 at 02:26:48PM -0800, Siwei Liu wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 1:31 PM, Michael S. Tsirkin <mst@redhat.com> wrote:
> > On Fri, Mar 02, 2018 at 12:44:56PM -0800, Siwei Liu wrote:
> >> On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 12:10 PM, Michael S. Tsirkin <mst@redhat.com> wrote:
> >> > On Fri, Mar 02, 2018 at 11:52:27AM -0800, Samudrala, Sridhar wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On 3/2/2018 11:41 AM, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> >> >> > On Fri, Mar 02, 2018 at 07:26:25AM -0800, Alexander Duyck wrote:
> >> >> > > The design limits things to a 1:1 relationship since we just have the
> >> >> > > child and backup pointers, but I don't think I am seeing exception
> >> >> > > handling to prevent us from overwriting the child pointers so there
> >> >> > > may be a leak there.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Thanks.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > - Alex
> >> >> > In fact maintaining a list in that case would be nicer, and
> >> >> > just use an arbitrary one.
> >> >> > E.g. one can see how a user wanting to swap device 1 for device 2
> >> >> > might first add device 2 with same MAC then drop device 1.
> >> >>
> >> >> It should be possible to swap VF1 with VF2 by
> >> >> 1.- enabling virtio link
> >> >> 2.- unplugging VF1
> >> >> 3.- plugging VF2
> >> >> 4.- disabling virtio link
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > True, but it isn't hard to avoid breakage if user
> >> > swapped steps 2 and 3. No need to make it more
> >> > fragile that it has to be.
> >>
> >> The migration case, VF2 is associated with another PF on another
> >> machine (destination), I wonder how it is possible.
> >
> > E.g. you want to remove the PF so you unplug the VF
> > then add another VF of the same PF.
> >
> >> Even with local plugging of VF2 on the same PF, the MAC address
> >> requirement (VF1's == VF2's) would fail the MAC address assignment on
> >> VF2.
> >>
> >> -Siwei
> >
> > Why would it fail? These are separate cards.
> 
> OK. I realized that you may talk about assigning a VF on a diffferent
> PF (VF1 on PF1 while VF2 on PF2). And we might assign a pass-through
> device rather than a VF. Yes, it's indeed possible that may happen but
> I take it as a further step down (another patch maybe) as it would
> involve changes to notify the network with gratuituious ARP and/or
> unsolicited ND advertisement of the MAC address association with the
> new port.
> 
> -Siwei

Interesting point. I guess that's a limitation in the curent patch then:
virtio and PT device must be connected to the same physical NIC.
Worth documenting.

> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > MST
> >> >
> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: virtio-dev-unsubscribe@lists.oasis-open.org
> >> > For additional commands, e-mail: virtio-dev-help@lists.oasis-open.org
> >> >

  reply	other threads:[~2018-03-04  4:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 102+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-03-01 20:08 [virtio-dev] [PATCH v4 0/2] Enable virtio_net to act as a backup for a passthru device Sridhar Samudrala
2018-03-01 20:08 ` Sridhar Samudrala
2018-03-01 20:08 ` [virtio-dev] [PATCH v4 1/2] virtio_net: Introduce VIRTIO_NET_F_BACKUP feature bit Sridhar Samudrala
2018-03-01 20:08   ` Sridhar Samudrala
2018-03-01 20:08 ` [virtio-dev] [PATCH v4 2/2] virtio_net: Extend virtio to use VF datapath when available Sridhar Samudrala
2018-03-01 20:08   ` Sridhar Samudrala
2018-03-02  8:36   ` Jiri Pirko
2018-03-02 15:26     ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2018-03-02 15:26       ` Alexander Duyck
2018-03-02 16:20       ` Jiri Pirko
2018-03-02 16:37         ` [virtio-dev] " Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-03-02 16:37           ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-03-02 17:06           ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2018-03-02 17:06             ` Alexander Duyck
2018-03-02 19:42         ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-03-02 19:42           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-03-02 20:49           ` [virtio-dev] " Siwei Liu
2018-03-02 20:49             ` Siwei Liu
2018-03-03 11:31           ` Jiri Pirko
2018-03-03 18:04             ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2018-03-03 18:04               ` Alexander Duyck
2018-03-03 21:25               ` Jiri Pirko
2018-03-04  0:26                 ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2018-03-04  0:26                   ` Alexander Duyck
2018-03-04  7:13                   ` Jiri Pirko
2018-03-04 18:24                     ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2018-03-04 18:24                       ` Alexander Duyck
2018-03-04 18:50                       ` Jiri Pirko
2018-03-04 21:54                         ` [virtio-dev] " Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-03-04 21:54                           ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-03-04 21:58                         ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2018-03-04 21:58                           ` Alexander Duyck
2018-03-05  9:21                           ` Jiri Pirko
2018-03-05 16:11                             ` Stephen Hemminger
2018-03-05 22:30                               ` Jiri Pirko
2018-03-05 22:47                                 ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2018-03-05 22:47                                   ` Alexander Duyck
2018-03-06  3:15                                   ` Stephen Hemminger
2018-03-06 19:08                                     ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2018-03-06 19:08                                       ` Alexander Duyck
2018-03-06 22:59                                       ` Jiri Pirko
2018-03-06 23:27                                         ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2018-03-06 23:27                                           ` Alexander Duyck
2018-03-07  2:38                                           ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-03-07  2:38                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-03-07 17:50                                             ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2018-03-07 17:50                                               ` Alexander Duyck
2018-03-07 18:06                                               ` Stephen Hemminger
2018-03-07 18:55                                                 ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2018-03-07 18:55                                                   ` Alexander Duyck
2018-03-07 20:11                                                 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-03-07 20:11                                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-03-12 18:47                                                   ` [virtio-dev] " Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-03-12 18:47                                                     ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-03-02 19:41       ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-03-02 19:41         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-03-02 19:52         ` [virtio-dev] " Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-03-02 19:52           ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-03-02 20:10           ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-03-02 20:10             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-03-02 20:44             ` [virtio-dev] " Siwei Liu
2018-03-02 20:44               ` Siwei Liu
2018-03-02 20:56               ` [virtio-dev] " Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-03-02 20:56                 ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-03-02 21:33                 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-03-02 21:33                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-03-02 21:31               ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-03-02 21:31                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-03-02 22:26                 ` [virtio-dev] " Siwei Liu
2018-03-02 22:26                   ` Siwei Liu
2018-03-04  4:00                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2018-03-04  4:00                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-03-02 21:11   ` [virtio-dev] " Siwei Liu
2018-03-02 21:11     ` Siwei Liu
2018-03-02 21:36     ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-03-02 21:36       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-03-02 23:56       ` [virtio-dev] " Siwei Liu
2018-03-02 23:56         ` Siwei Liu
2018-03-04  4:04         ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-03-04  4:04           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-03-12 21:53           ` [virtio-dev] " Siwei Liu
2018-03-12 21:53             ` Siwei Liu
2018-03-02 23:12     ` [virtio-dev] " Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-03-02 23:12       ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-03-03  0:09       ` [virtio-dev] " Siwei Liu
2018-03-03  0:09         ` Siwei Liu
2018-03-12 20:12   ` Jiri Pirko
2018-03-12 20:58     ` [virtio-dev] " Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-03-12 20:58       ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-03-12 21:08       ` Jiri Pirko
2018-03-14  0:36         ` [virtio-dev] " Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-03-14  0:36           ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-03-14  0:54           ` Stephen Hemminger
2018-03-14 15:45           ` Jiri Pirko
2018-03-12 22:44   ` [virtio-dev] " Siwei Liu
2018-03-12 22:44     ` Siwei Liu
2018-03-14  0:28     ` [virtio-dev] " Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-03-14  0:28       ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-03-14  0:44       ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-03-14  0:44         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-03-14  4:50       ` [virtio-dev] " Siwei Liu
2018-03-14  4:50         ` Siwei Liu

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