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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>
Cc: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
	Dave Watson <davejwatson@fb.com>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-api <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
	Paul Turner <pjt@google.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Russell King <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Andrew Hunter <ahh@google.com>, Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	Chris Lameter <cl@linux.com>, Ben Maurer <bmaurer@fb.com>,
	rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>, Will Deacon <will>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH for 4.17 02/21] rseq: Introduce restartable sequences system call (v12)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 16:23:38 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180329142338.GD4043@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87410797.545.1522331641598.JavaMail.zimbra@efficios.com>

On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 09:54:01AM -0400, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
> Let's say we disallow system calls from rseq critical sections. A few points
> arise:
> 
> - We still need to allow traps (page faults, breakpoints, ...) within rseq c.s.,
> 
> - We still need to allow interrupts within rseq c.s.,

Sure, but all those are different entry points, so that shouldn't be a
problem.

> - We need to decide whether we just document that syscalls within rseq c.s.
>   are not supported, or we enforce a behavior if this happens (e.g. SIGSEGV).
>   If we enforce a SIGSEGV, we'd have to figure out whether it's worth it to
>   add extra branches to the system call fast path to validate this.

Without enforcement someone will eventually do this :/ We might (maybe)
get away with it being a debug option somewhere, but even that sounds
like trouble.

> - We need to carefully consider the case of system calls issued within signal
>   handlers nested on top of rseq. When RSEQ_CS_FLAG_NO_RESTART_ON_SIGNAL is
>   _not_ set, neither in the rseq c.s. descriptor nor in the TLS @flags,
>   it's pretty much straightforward: upon signal delivery, the kernel moves the
>   ip to abort, and clears the tls @rseq_cs pointer. This means that any system
>   call issued within the signal handler is not actually within the rseq c.s.
>   upon which the signal is nested.
> 
>   The case I worry about is if a thread sets the RSEQ_CS_FLAG_NO_RESTART_ON_SIGNAL
>   flag in its TLS @flags field (useful in a debugging scenario where we want a
>   debugger to single-step through the rseq c.s. and observe registers at each step).
>   Arguably, this is only ever used in development. However, it does allow a situation
>   where a system call executed within a signal handler can nest over a rseq c.s..
>   So if we choose to be very strict and SIGSEGV any syscall nested over rseq
>   c.s., we may very well end up killing the process for no good reason in this
>   scenario.

Yes, that needs a little thought; but when we run the signal handler,
the IP would no longer be inside the active RSEQ, right?

> - We need to decide whether all syscalls are disallowed, or if we want to pick
>   specific ones (e.g. fork()).

All.

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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>
Cc: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
	Dave Watson <davejwatson@fb.com>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-api <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
	Paul Turner <pjt@google.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Russell King <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Andrew Hunter <ahh@google.com>, Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	Chris Lameter <cl@linux.com>, Ben Maurer <bmaurer@fb.com>,
	rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	Michael Kerrisk <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH for 4.17 02/21] rseq: Introduce restartable sequences system call (v12)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 16:23:38 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180329142338.GD4043@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87410797.545.1522331641598.JavaMail.zimbra@efficios.com>

On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 09:54:01AM -0400, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
> Let's say we disallow system calls from rseq critical sections. A few points
> arise:
> 
> - We still need to allow traps (page faults, breakpoints, ...) within rseq c.s.,
> 
> - We still need to allow interrupts within rseq c.s.,

Sure, but all those are different entry points, so that shouldn't be a
problem.

> - We need to decide whether we just document that syscalls within rseq c.s.
>   are not supported, or we enforce a behavior if this happens (e.g. SIGSEGV).
>   If we enforce a SIGSEGV, we'd have to figure out whether it's worth it to
>   add extra branches to the system call fast path to validate this.

Without enforcement someone will eventually do this :/ We might (maybe)
get away with it being a debug option somewhere, but even that sounds
like trouble.

> - We need to carefully consider the case of system calls issued within signal
>   handlers nested on top of rseq. When RSEQ_CS_FLAG_NO_RESTART_ON_SIGNAL is
>   _not_ set, neither in the rseq c.s. descriptor nor in the TLS @flags,
>   it's pretty much straightforward: upon signal delivery, the kernel moves the
>   ip to abort, and clears the tls @rseq_cs pointer. This means that any system
>   call issued within the signal handler is not actually within the rseq c.s.
>   upon which the signal is nested.
> 
>   The case I worry about is if a thread sets the RSEQ_CS_FLAG_NO_RESTART_ON_SIGNAL
>   flag in its TLS @flags field (useful in a debugging scenario where we want a
>   debugger to single-step through the rseq c.s. and observe registers at each step).
>   Arguably, this is only ever used in development. However, it does allow a situation
>   where a system call executed within a signal handler can nest over a rseq c.s..
>   So if we choose to be very strict and SIGSEGV any syscall nested over rseq
>   c.s., we may very well end up killing the process for no good reason in this
>   scenario.

Yes, that needs a little thought; but when we run the signal handler,
the IP would no longer be inside the active RSEQ, right?

> - We need to decide whether all syscalls are disallowed, or if we want to pick
>   specific ones (e.g. fork()).

All.

  reply	other threads:[~2018-03-29 14:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 123+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-03-27 16:05 [RFC PATCH for 4.17 00/21] Restartable sequences and CPU op vector Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.17 01/21] uapi headers: Provide types_32_64.h Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.17 02/21] rseq: Introduce restartable sequences system call (v12) Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-28  6:47   ` Boqun Feng
2018-03-28  6:47     ` Boqun Feng
2018-03-28 14:06     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-28 14:06       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-28 14:31       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-28 14:31         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-28 11:19   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-03-28 11:19     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-03-28 14:19     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-28 14:19       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-28 11:22   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-03-28 11:22     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-03-28 14:26     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-28 14:26       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-28 12:29   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-03-28 12:29     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-03-28 12:52     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-03-28 12:52       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-03-28 15:03       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-28 15:03         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-28 16:19     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-28 16:19       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-28 12:50   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-03-28 12:50     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-03-28 14:47     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-28 14:47       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-28 14:59       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-03-28 14:59         ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-03-28 15:14         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-28 15:14           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-28 15:28           ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-03-28 15:28             ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-03-28 15:37             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-28 15:37               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-28 17:49               ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-03-28 17:49                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-03-28 20:19                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-28 20:19                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-28 21:25                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-03-28 21:25                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-03-29 13:54                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-29 13:54                       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-29 14:23                       ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2018-03-29 14:23                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-03-29 15:39                         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-29 15:39                           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-29 16:24                           ` Steven Rostedt
2018-03-29 16:24                             ` Steven Rostedt
2018-03-29 18:02                             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-29 18:02                               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-29 18:07                               ` Steven Rostedt
2018-03-29 18:07                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2018-03-29 18:35                                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-29 18:35                                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-29 18:46                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2018-03-29 18:46                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2018-03-29 18:47                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2018-03-29 18:47                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2018-04-01 16:13   ` Alan Cox
2018-04-01 16:13     ` Alan Cox
2018-04-02 15:03     ` Christopher Lameter
2018-04-02 15:03       ` Christopher Lameter
2018-04-02 15:27       ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-04-02 15:27         ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-04-02 15:33     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-04-02 15:33       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-04-03 16:36       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-04-03 16:36         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-04-03 20:32         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-04-03 20:32           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.17 03/21] arm: Add restartable sequences support Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.17 04/21] arm: Wire up restartable sequences system call Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.17 05/21] x86: Add support for restartable sequences Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.17 06/21] x86: Wire up restartable sequence system call Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.17 07/21] powerpc: Add support for restartable sequences Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.17 08/21] powerpc: Wire up restartable sequences system call Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.17 09/21] sched: Implement push_task_to_cpu (v2) Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.17 10/21] cpu_opv: Provide cpu_opv system call (v6) Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-28 15:22   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-03-28 15:22     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-03-28 17:54     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-28 17:54       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.17 11/21] x86: Wire up cpu_opv system call Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.17 12/21] powerpc: " Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.17 13/21] arm: " Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.17 14/21] selftests: lib.mk: Introduce OVERRIDE_TARGETS Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05   ` mathieu.desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.17 15/21] cpu_opv: selftests: Implement selftests (v7) Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05   ` mathieu.desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.17 16/21] rseq: selftests: Provide rseq library (v5) Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05   ` mathieu.desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.17 17/21] rseq: selftests: Provide percpu_op API Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05   ` mathieu.desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.17 18/21] rseq: selftests: Provide basic test Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05   ` mathieu.desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.17 19/21] rseq: selftests: Provide basic percpu ops test Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05   ` mathieu.desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.17 20/21] rseq: selftests: Provide parametrized tests Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05   ` mathieu.desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.17 21/21] rseq: selftests: Provide Makefile, scripts, gitignore Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05   ` mathieu.desnoyers
2018-03-27 19:09 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.17 00/21] Restartable sequences and CPU op vector Peter Zijlstra
2018-03-27 19:09   ` Peter Zijlstra

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