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From: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
	Dave Watson <davejwatson@fb.com>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-api <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
	Paul Turner <pjt@google.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Russell King <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Andrew Hunter <ahh@google.com>, Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	Chris Lameter <cl@linux.com>, Ben Maurer <bmaurer@fb.com>,
	rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>, Will Deacon <will>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH for 4.17 02/21] rseq: Introduce restartable sequences system call (v12)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2018 11:37:06 -0400 (EDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <533214853.56.1522251426819.JavaMail.zimbra@efficios.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180328152814.GI4082@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net>

----- On Mar 28, 2018, at 11:28 AM, Peter Zijlstra peterz@infradead.org wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 11:14:05AM -0400, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
> 
>> > If at all possible I would make it SIGSEGV when issueing SYSCALL()s from
>> > within an RSEQ.
>> 
>> What's the goal there ? rseq critical sections can technically do system calls
>> if they wish. Why prevent this ?
> 
> This all started as a way to do 'small' _fast_ per-cpu ops, System calls
> do NOT fit in that pattern. If you're willing to do a system calls the
> cost of atomics is not a problem.

I'm not arguing that a typical rseq would do a system call. I'm merely
pointing out that if we start putting arbitrary limitations like "SIGSEGV
when a fork or system call is encountered on top of rseq", this will cause
pain in user-space.

> 
>> How would you handle signal handlers that issue system calls while nested
>> on top of a rseq critical section in the userspace thread ? SIGSEGV on
>> SYSCALLs will break this case.
> 
> Have the rseq thing aborted prior to delivering the signal ?

Not if the RSEQ_CS_FLAG_NO_RESTART_ON_SIGNAL flag is set either in the TLS
or in the rseq_cs structure.

How about we simply add a rseq_migrate() within rseq_fork() (when
forking to a new process), which will allow me to move the rseq_migrate
from __set_task_cpu() to set_task_cpu() as you request. Is that solution
acceptable for you ?

Thanks,

Mathieu


-- 
Mathieu Desnoyers
EfficiOS Inc.
http://www.efficios.com

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From: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
	Dave Watson <davejwatson@fb.com>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-api <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
	Paul Turner <pjt@google.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Russell King <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Andrew Hunter <ahh@google.com>, Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	Chris Lameter <cl@linux.com>, Ben Maurer <bmaurer@fb.com>,
	rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	Michael Kerrisk <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH for 4.17 02/21] rseq: Introduce restartable sequences system call (v12)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2018 11:37:06 -0400 (EDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <533214853.56.1522251426819.JavaMail.zimbra@efficios.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180328152814.GI4082@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net>

----- On Mar 28, 2018, at 11:28 AM, Peter Zijlstra peterz@infradead.org wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 11:14:05AM -0400, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
> 
>> > If at all possible I would make it SIGSEGV when issueing SYSCALL()s from
>> > within an RSEQ.
>> 
>> What's the goal there ? rseq critical sections can technically do system calls
>> if they wish. Why prevent this ?
> 
> This all started as a way to do 'small' _fast_ per-cpu ops, System calls
> do NOT fit in that pattern. If you're willing to do a system calls the
> cost of atomics is not a problem.

I'm not arguing that a typical rseq would do a system call. I'm merely
pointing out that if we start putting arbitrary limitations like "SIGSEGV
when a fork or system call is encountered on top of rseq", this will cause
pain in user-space.

> 
>> How would you handle signal handlers that issue system calls while nested
>> on top of a rseq critical section in the userspace thread ? SIGSEGV on
>> SYSCALLs will break this case.
> 
> Have the rseq thing aborted prior to delivering the signal ?

Not if the RSEQ_CS_FLAG_NO_RESTART_ON_SIGNAL flag is set either in the TLS
or in the rseq_cs structure.

How about we simply add a rseq_migrate() within rseq_fork() (when
forking to a new process), which will allow me to move the rseq_migrate
from __set_task_cpu() to set_task_cpu() as you request. Is that solution
acceptable for you ?

Thanks,

Mathieu


-- 
Mathieu Desnoyers
EfficiOS Inc.
http://www.efficios.com

  reply	other threads:[~2018-03-28 15:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 123+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-03-27 16:05 [RFC PATCH for 4.17 00/21] Restartable sequences and CPU op vector Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.17 01/21] uapi headers: Provide types_32_64.h Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.17 02/21] rseq: Introduce restartable sequences system call (v12) Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-28  6:47   ` Boqun Feng
2018-03-28  6:47     ` Boqun Feng
2018-03-28 14:06     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-28 14:06       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-28 14:31       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-28 14:31         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-28 11:19   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-03-28 11:19     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-03-28 14:19     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-28 14:19       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-28 11:22   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-03-28 11:22     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-03-28 14:26     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-28 14:26       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-28 12:29   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-03-28 12:29     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-03-28 12:52     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-03-28 12:52       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-03-28 15:03       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-28 15:03         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-28 16:19     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-28 16:19       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-28 12:50   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-03-28 12:50     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-03-28 14:47     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-28 14:47       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-28 14:59       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-03-28 14:59         ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-03-28 15:14         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-28 15:14           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-28 15:28           ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-03-28 15:28             ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-03-28 15:37             ` Mathieu Desnoyers [this message]
2018-03-28 15:37               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-28 17:49               ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-03-28 17:49                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-03-28 20:19                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-28 20:19                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-28 21:25                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-03-28 21:25                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-03-29 13:54                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-29 13:54                       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-29 14:23                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-03-29 14:23                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-03-29 15:39                         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-29 15:39                           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-29 16:24                           ` Steven Rostedt
2018-03-29 16:24                             ` Steven Rostedt
2018-03-29 18:02                             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-29 18:02                               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-29 18:07                               ` Steven Rostedt
2018-03-29 18:07                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2018-03-29 18:35                                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-29 18:35                                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-29 18:46                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2018-03-29 18:46                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2018-03-29 18:47                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2018-03-29 18:47                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2018-04-01 16:13   ` Alan Cox
2018-04-01 16:13     ` Alan Cox
2018-04-02 15:03     ` Christopher Lameter
2018-04-02 15:03       ` Christopher Lameter
2018-04-02 15:27       ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-04-02 15:27         ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-04-02 15:33     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-04-02 15:33       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-04-03 16:36       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-04-03 16:36         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-04-03 20:32         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-04-03 20:32           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.17 03/21] arm: Add restartable sequences support Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.17 04/21] arm: Wire up restartable sequences system call Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.17 05/21] x86: Add support for restartable sequences Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.17 06/21] x86: Wire up restartable sequence system call Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.17 07/21] powerpc: Add support for restartable sequences Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.17 08/21] powerpc: Wire up restartable sequences system call Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.17 09/21] sched: Implement push_task_to_cpu (v2) Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.17 10/21] cpu_opv: Provide cpu_opv system call (v6) Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-28 15:22   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-03-28 15:22     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-03-28 17:54     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-28 17:54       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.17 11/21] x86: Wire up cpu_opv system call Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.17 12/21] powerpc: " Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.17 13/21] arm: " Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.17 14/21] selftests: lib.mk: Introduce OVERRIDE_TARGETS Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05   ` mathieu.desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.17 15/21] cpu_opv: selftests: Implement selftests (v7) Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05   ` mathieu.desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.17 16/21] rseq: selftests: Provide rseq library (v5) Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05   ` mathieu.desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.17 17/21] rseq: selftests: Provide percpu_op API Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05   ` mathieu.desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.17 18/21] rseq: selftests: Provide basic test Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05   ` mathieu.desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.17 19/21] rseq: selftests: Provide basic percpu ops test Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05   ` mathieu.desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.17 20/21] rseq: selftests: Provide parametrized tests Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05   ` mathieu.desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.17 21/21] rseq: selftests: Provide Makefile, scripts, gitignore Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-03-27 16:05   ` mathieu.desnoyers
2018-03-27 19:09 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.17 00/21] Restartable sequences and CPU op vector Peter Zijlstra
2018-03-27 19:09   ` Peter Zijlstra

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