Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [MAINTAINER SUMMIT] community management/subsystem governance

[Sean Paul <sean@poorly.run>]

On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 10:18:25AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> [ Still very much on break, but reading ksuummit-discuss and answering
> this one ]
> 
> On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 9:35 AM Dmitry Torokhov
> <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 9:33 AM Luck, Tony <tony.luck@intel.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Or, shock, horror, tell one-time contributors that it is OK to
> > > put the patch in an attachment to the e-mail.  Outlook doesn't
> > > (usually) mess with the contents of attachments.
> >
> > And then have maintainer having hard time trying to comment on said
> > patch in the attachment. I'd rather not.
> 
> I actually think that *this* could be easily handled by trivial
> tooling that doesn't have to be set up over and over again inside
> companies or teaching people.
> 
> In fact, doesn't patchwork already do exactly that?
> 
> I have to say, there are real technical advantages to using
> attachments for patches, particularly when you have odd combinations
> of locales. It's gotten to be less of an issue over time and we're
> still almost entirely US-ASCII with the occasional UTF-8, but we do
> still have the occasional problem. Using attachments at least detaches
> the email charset from the user locale, and from random other MUA
> issues.
> 
> But yes, the "comment on individual parts of the patch" part is very
> important too.
> 
> The main problem with having something that rewrites things is that it
> breaks DKIM etc, so you can't just have a pure email gateway. 

Worse yet is that the failures are silent. We had DMARC helpfully enabled
on chromium.org for 3 weeks and my mail was going to Spam folders without
me knowing.

Sean

> It
> almost needs to be something at a higher semantic level like patchwork
> (that could still send out rewritten emails).
> 
> In many cases, you might want that anyway (ie wouldn't it be lovely
> when the patch is also checked for "does it build" and looks up the
> maintainers based on what paths it touches etc etc).
> 
> So a sane email / web-interface kind of gateway that allows people to
> work the way they prefer.
> 
> But I guess "trivial" is completely the wrong word to use.
> 
>              Linus
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Sean Paul, Software Engineer, Google / Chromium OS