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From: Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab+samsung@kernel.org>
To: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
Cc: linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH v2 2/3] code-of-conduct: Strip the enforcement paragraph pending community discussion
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2018 23:37:05 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20181010233705.12f0f727@coco.lan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1539202180.12644.10.camel@HansenPartnership.com>

Em Wed, 10 Oct 2018 13:09:40 -0700
James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com> escreveu:

> Significant concern has been expressed about the responsibilities outlined in
> the enforcement clause of the new code of conduct.  Since there is concern
> that this becomes binding on the release of the 4.19 kernel, strip the
> enforcement clauses to give the community time to consider and debate how this
> should be handled.
> 
> Note, this patch is expected to be the starting point for a discussion not the
> end point, so there is an expectation that an Enforcement section will be
> added again to our code of conduct once we have sufficient community consensus
> on what it should say.
> 
> Fixes: 8a104f8b5867c682 ("Code of Conduct: Let's revamp it.")
> Acked-by: Shuah Khan <shuah@kernel.org>
> Acked-by: Guenter Roeck <linux@roeck-us.net>
> Acked-by: Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>
> Reviewed-by: Alan Cox <alan@llwyncelyn.cymru>
> Signed-off-by: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>

Reviewed-by: Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab@kernel.org>

I still think that this series should contain a 4th patch removing
"responsibilities" with that text proposed by Alan.

E. g. instead of:

	Maintainers have the right and responsibility to remove, edit, or reject

it should say, instead:

	Maintainers should remove, edit or reject

> 
> ---
> 
> v2: Added additional commit paragraph clarifying we do expect eventually to
>     have an enforcement section (as requested by Shuah)
> ---
>  Documentation/process/code-of-conduct.rst | 15 ---------------
>  1 file changed, 15 deletions(-)
> 
> diff --git a/Documentation/process/code-of-conduct.rst b/Documentation/process/code-of-conduct.rst
> index aa40e34e7785..4dd90987305b 100644
> --- a/Documentation/process/code-of-conduct.rst
> +++ b/Documentation/process/code-of-conduct.rst
> @@ -59,21 +59,6 @@ address, posting via an official social media account, or acting as an appointed
>  representative at an online or offline event. Representation of a project may be
>  further defined and clarified by project maintainers.
>  
> -Enforcement
> -===========
> -
> -Instances of abusive, harassing, or otherwise unacceptable behavior may be
> -reported by contacting the Technical Advisory Board (TAB) at
> -<tab@lists.linux-foundation.org>. All complaints will be reviewed and
> -investigated and will result in a response that is deemed necessary and
> -appropriate to the circumstances. The TAB is obligated to maintain
> -confidentiality with regard to the reporter of an incident.  Further details of
> -specific enforcement policies may be posted separately.
> -
> -Maintainers who do not follow or enforce the Code of Conduct in good faith may
> -face temporary or permanent repercussions as determined by other members of the
> -project’s leadership.
> -
>  Attribution
>  ===========
>  



Thanks,
Mauro

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From: Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab+samsung@kernel.org>
To: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
Cc: ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH v2 2/3] code-of-conduct: Strip the enforcement paragraph pending community discussion
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2018 23:37:05 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20181010233705.12f0f727@coco.lan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1539202180.12644.10.camel@HansenPartnership.com>

Em Wed, 10 Oct 2018 13:09:40 -0700
James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com> escreveu:

> Significant concern has been expressed about the responsibilities outlined in
> the enforcement clause of the new code of conduct.  Since there is concern
> that this becomes binding on the release of the 4.19 kernel, strip the
> enforcement clauses to give the community time to consider and debate how this
> should be handled.
> 
> Note, this patch is expected to be the starting point for a discussion not the
> end point, so there is an expectation that an Enforcement section will be
> added again to our code of conduct once we have sufficient community consensus
> on what it should say.
> 
> Fixes: 8a104f8b5867c682 ("Code of Conduct: Let's revamp it.")
> Acked-by: Shuah Khan <shuah@kernel.org>
> Acked-by: Guenter Roeck <linux@roeck-us.net>
> Acked-by: Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>
> Reviewed-by: Alan Cox <alan@llwyncelyn.cymru>
> Signed-off-by: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>

Reviewed-by: Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab@kernel.org>

I still think that this series should contain a 4th patch removing
"responsibilities" with that text proposed by Alan.

E. g. instead of:

	Maintainers have the right and responsibility to remove, edit, or reject

it should say, instead:

	Maintainers should remove, edit or reject

> 
> ---
> 
> v2: Added additional commit paragraph clarifying we do expect eventually to
>     have an enforcement section (as requested by Shuah)
> ---
>  Documentation/process/code-of-conduct.rst | 15 ---------------
>  1 file changed, 15 deletions(-)
> 
> diff --git a/Documentation/process/code-of-conduct.rst b/Documentation/process/code-of-conduct.rst
> index aa40e34e7785..4dd90987305b 100644
> --- a/Documentation/process/code-of-conduct.rst
> +++ b/Documentation/process/code-of-conduct.rst
> @@ -59,21 +59,6 @@ address, posting via an official social media account, or acting as an appointed
>  representative at an online or offline event. Representation of a project may be
>  further defined and clarified by project maintainers.
>  
> -Enforcement
> -===========
> -
> -Instances of abusive, harassing, or otherwise unacceptable behavior may be
> -reported by contacting the Technical Advisory Board (TAB) at
> -<tab@lists.linux-foundation.org>. All complaints will be reviewed and
> -investigated and will result in a response that is deemed necessary and
> -appropriate to the circumstances. The TAB is obligated to maintain
> -confidentiality with regard to the reporter of an incident.  Further details of
> -specific enforcement policies may be posted separately.
> -
> -Maintainers who do not follow or enforce the Code of Conduct in good faith may
> -face temporary or permanent repercussions as determined by other members of the
> -project’s leadership.
> -
>  Attribution
>  ===========
>  



Thanks,
Mauro

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-10-11  2:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-10-10 20:07 [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH v2 0/3] code of conduct fixes James Bottomley
2018-10-10 20:07 ` James Bottomley
2018-10-10 20:08 ` [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH v2 1/3] code-of-conduct: Fix the ambiguity about collecting email addresses James Bottomley
2018-10-10 20:08   ` James Bottomley
2018-10-10 22:17   ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Eric W. Biederman
2018-10-10 22:17     ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-10-11  2:33   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-10-11  2:33     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-10-15 20:58   ` Kees Cook
2018-10-15 20:58     ` Kees Cook
2018-10-10 20:09 ` [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH v2 2/3] code-of-conduct: Strip the enforcement paragraph pending community discussion James Bottomley
2018-10-10 20:09   ` James Bottomley
2018-10-10 21:04   ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Luck, Tony
2018-10-10 21:04     ` Luck, Tony
2018-10-10 21:19     ` James Bottomley
2018-10-10 21:28       ` Luck, Tony
2018-10-10 21:28         ` Luck, Tony
2018-10-15 21:02     ` Kees Cook
2018-10-15 21:02       ` Kees Cook
2018-10-11  2:37   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab [this message]
2018-10-11  2:37     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-10-10 20:10 ` [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH v2 3/3] code-of-conduct: Add back the TAB as the central reporting point James Bottomley
2018-10-10 20:10   ` James Bottomley
2018-10-10 20:13   ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Alan Cox
2018-10-10 20:13     ` Alan Cox
2018-10-11  2:30     ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-10-11  6:50     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-10-11  6:50       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-10-10 21:04   ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2018-10-10 21:04     ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2018-10-10 23:23 ` [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH v2 0/3] code of conduct fixes Eric W. Biederman
2018-10-10 23:23   ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-10-10 23:41   ` Al Viro
2018-10-10 23:41     ` Al Viro
2018-10-11  0:00   ` James Bottomley
2018-10-11  3:11     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-10-11  3:11       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-10-11 10:43   ` Rainer Fiebig
2018-10-11  6:39 ` Tomi Valkeinen

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