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From: Miquel Raynal <miquel.raynal@bootlin.com>
To: Masahiro Yamada <yamada.masahiro@socionext.com>
Cc: Marek Vasut <marek.vasut@gmail.com>,
	Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at>,
	Boris Brezillon <bbrezillon@kernel.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Boris Brezillon <boris.brezillon@bootlin.com>,
	linux-mtd <linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org>,
	Brian Norris <computersforpeace@gmail.com>,
	David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mtd: rawnand: call onfi_fill_data_interface() once again after nand_detect
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2019 14:01:36 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190207140136.2ae62982@xps13> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAK7LNASEvAUeJsBcp4eh+XW+gaVp921SU-d1m-DEs+Hs+YA8TA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Masahiro,

Masahiro Yamada <yamada.masahiro@socionext.com> wrote on Thu, 7 Feb
2019 19:46:54 +0900:

> On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 7:16 PM Miquel Raynal <miquel.raynal@bootlin.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Masahiro,
> >
> > Masahiro Yamada <yamada.masahiro@socionext.com> wrote on Thu,  7 Feb
> > 2019 18:57:56 +0900:
> >  
> > > nand_scan_ident() calls onfi_fill_data_interface() at its entry
> > > to set up the initial timing parameters.
> > >
> > > The timing parameters are needed not only for ->setup_data_interface(),
> > > but also for giving the correct delay to NAND_OP_WAIT_RDY, for example.
> > >
> > > If the driver sets the NAND_KEEP_TIMINGS flag, or does not support  
> > > ->setup_data_interface() hook, those parameters will never updated.  
> >
> >                                                             ^ be  
> 
> Will fix (if v2 is welcome)
> 
> 
> > >
> > > Before nand_detect(), we never know whether the chip is ONFi or not.
> > > So, onfi_fill_data_interface() has to assume the worst case, i.e.
> > > non-ONFi.  
> >
> > s/ONFi/ONFI/?  
> 
> Will fix.
> 
> Looks like I was misunderstanding
> maybe because the letter 'I' in the logo
> (http://www.onfi.org/)
> looks like a lowercase...
> 
> 

Oh right. I don't know what's best. Pick your favorite :)

> 
> 
> >  
> > >
> > > After nand_detect(), if the chip turns out to be ONFi-compliant,
> > > we can optimize tPROG_max, tBERS_max, etc.
> > >
> > > Call onfi_fill_data_interface() once again.  
> >
> > Sorry but I don't get why this is needed as there is the same call at
> > the top of this function. Can you be more specific on where/when the
> > missing call produces a failure?  
> 
> 
> onfi_fill_data_interface() sets different values
> for tPROG_max, tBER_max, tR_max, tCCS_min
> depending on whether the chip is ONFI or not.
> 
> For the first call, onfi_fill_data_interface()
> chooses the else-part since we never know
> the chip specification at this point.
> 
> If we call onfi_fill_data_interface() once again
> after nand_detect(), it may choose the if-part.
> 
> 
> If a driver supports ->setup_data_interface(),
> nand_init_data_interface() will set the optimal
> timing parameters anyway.
> 
> But, if a driver does not support ->setup_data_interface(),
> it will not happen since nand_has_setup_data_iface() returns false.

And I think this is the expected behavior. Calling again
onfi_fill_data_interface() would probably enhance a bit the timings.
The effect is that later exchanges with the NAND chip would be just a
bit faster. But if you care about performance, then why not implementing
->setup_data_interface()? Even a dummy implementation would do the
trick: only accept timing mode 0 without any changes on the controller
side.

Unless you give me a use case where this is not possible, I don't think
it is worth changing this path.


Thanks,
Miquèl

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From: Miquel Raynal <miquel.raynal@bootlin.com>
To: Masahiro Yamada <yamada.masahiro@socionext.com>
Cc: linux-mtd <linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org>,
	Boris Brezillon <boris.brezillon@bootlin.com>,
	Brian Norris <computersforpeace@gmail.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Marek Vasut <marek.vasut@gmail.com>,
	Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at>,
	David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
	Boris Brezillon <bbrezillon@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mtd: rawnand: call onfi_fill_data_interface() once again after nand_detect
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2019 14:01:36 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190207140136.2ae62982@xps13> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAK7LNASEvAUeJsBcp4eh+XW+gaVp921SU-d1m-DEs+Hs+YA8TA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Masahiro,

Masahiro Yamada <yamada.masahiro@socionext.com> wrote on Thu, 7 Feb
2019 19:46:54 +0900:

> On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 7:16 PM Miquel Raynal <miquel.raynal@bootlin.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Masahiro,
> >
> > Masahiro Yamada <yamada.masahiro@socionext.com> wrote on Thu,  7 Feb
> > 2019 18:57:56 +0900:
> >  
> > > nand_scan_ident() calls onfi_fill_data_interface() at its entry
> > > to set up the initial timing parameters.
> > >
> > > The timing parameters are needed not only for ->setup_data_interface(),
> > > but also for giving the correct delay to NAND_OP_WAIT_RDY, for example.
> > >
> > > If the driver sets the NAND_KEEP_TIMINGS flag, or does not support  
> > > ->setup_data_interface() hook, those parameters will never updated.  
> >
> >                                                             ^ be  
> 
> Will fix (if v2 is welcome)
> 
> 
> > >
> > > Before nand_detect(), we never know whether the chip is ONFi or not.
> > > So, onfi_fill_data_interface() has to assume the worst case, i.e.
> > > non-ONFi.  
> >
> > s/ONFi/ONFI/?  
> 
> Will fix.
> 
> Looks like I was misunderstanding
> maybe because the letter 'I' in the logo
> (http://www.onfi.org/)
> looks like a lowercase...
> 
> 

Oh right. I don't know what's best. Pick your favorite :)

> 
> 
> >  
> > >
> > > After nand_detect(), if the chip turns out to be ONFi-compliant,
> > > we can optimize tPROG_max, tBERS_max, etc.
> > >
> > > Call onfi_fill_data_interface() once again.  
> >
> > Sorry but I don't get why this is needed as there is the same call at
> > the top of this function. Can you be more specific on where/when the
> > missing call produces a failure?  
> 
> 
> onfi_fill_data_interface() sets different values
> for tPROG_max, tBER_max, tR_max, tCCS_min
> depending on whether the chip is ONFI or not.
> 
> For the first call, onfi_fill_data_interface()
> chooses the else-part since we never know
> the chip specification at this point.
> 
> If we call onfi_fill_data_interface() once again
> after nand_detect(), it may choose the if-part.
> 
> 
> If a driver supports ->setup_data_interface(),
> nand_init_data_interface() will set the optimal
> timing parameters anyway.
> 
> But, if a driver does not support ->setup_data_interface(),
> it will not happen since nand_has_setup_data_iface() returns false.

And I think this is the expected behavior. Calling again
onfi_fill_data_interface() would probably enhance a bit the timings.
The effect is that later exchanges with the NAND chip would be just a
bit faster. But if you care about performance, then why not implementing
->setup_data_interface()? Even a dummy implementation would do the
trick: only accept timing mode 0 without any changes on the controller
side.

Unless you give me a use case where this is not possible, I don't think
it is worth changing this path.


Thanks,
Miquèl

  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-02-07 13:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-02-07  9:57 [PATCH] mtd: rawnand: call onfi_fill_data_interface() once again after nand_detect Masahiro Yamada
2019-02-07  9:57 ` Masahiro Yamada
2019-02-07 10:16 ` Miquel Raynal
2019-02-07 10:16   ` Miquel Raynal
2019-02-07 10:46   ` Masahiro Yamada
2019-02-07 10:46     ` Masahiro Yamada
2019-02-07 10:51     ` Masahiro Yamada
2019-02-07 10:51       ` Masahiro Yamada
2019-02-07 13:01     ` Miquel Raynal [this message]
2019-02-07 13:01       ` Miquel Raynal
2019-02-08  8:35       ` Masahiro Yamada
2019-02-08  8:35         ` Masahiro Yamada
2019-02-08 21:45         ` Miquel Raynal
2019-02-08 21:45           ` Miquel Raynal

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