From: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>
To: "Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
Luis Chamberlain <mcgrof@kernel.org>,
Maxime Coquelin <maxime.coquelin@redhat.com>,
Maya Gokhale <gokhale2@llnl.gov>,
Jerome Glisse <jglisse@redhat.com>,
Pavel Emelyanov <xemul@virtuozzo.com>,
Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
Martin Cracauer <cracauer@cons.org>,
Denis Plotnikov <dplotnikov@virtuozzo.com>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, Marty McFadden <mcfadden8@llnl.gov>,
Mike Kravetz <mike.kravetz@oracle.com>,
Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
Mike Rapoport <rppt@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
"Kirill A . Shutemov" <kirill@shutemov.name>,
linux-ap
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/1] userfaultfd/sysctl: add vm.unprivileged_userfaultfd
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2019 08:20:43 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190320002042.GA8956@xz-x1> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190319182822.GK2727@work-vm>
On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 06:28:23PM +0000, Dr. David Alan Gilbert wrote:
> * Andrew Morton (akpm@linux-foundation.org) wrote:
> > On Tue, 19 Mar 2019 11:07:22 +0800 Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Add a global sysctl knob "vm.unprivileged_userfaultfd" to control
> > > whether userfaultfd is allowed by unprivileged users. When this is
> > > set to zero, only privileged users (root user, or users with the
> > > CAP_SYS_PTRACE capability) will be able to use the userfaultfd
> > > syscalls.
> >
> > Please send along a full description of why you believe Linux needs
> > this feature, for me to add to the changelog. What is the benefit to
> > our users? How will it be used?
> >
> > etcetera. As it was presented I'm seeing no justification for adding
> > the patch!
>
> How about:
>
> ---
> Userfaultfd can be misued to make it easier to exploit existing use-after-free
> (and similar) bugs that might otherwise only make a short window
> or race condition available. By using userfaultfd to stall a kernel
> thread, a malicious program can keep some state, that it wrote, stable
> for an extended period, which it can then access using an existing
> exploit. While it doesn't cause the exploit itself, and while it's not
> the only thing that can stall a kernel thread when accessing a memory location,
> it's one of the few that never needs priviledge.
>
> Add a flag, allowing userfaultfd to be restricted, so that in general
> it won't be useable by arbitrary user programs, but in environments that
> require userfaultfd it can be turned back on.
Thanks for the quick write up, Dave! I definitely should have some
justification in the cover letter and carry it until the last version.
Sorry to be unclear at the first glance.
--
Peter Xu
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From: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>
To: "Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
Luis Chamberlain <mcgrof@kernel.org>,
Maxime Coquelin <maxime.coquelin@redhat.com>,
Maya Gokhale <gokhale2@llnl.gov>,
Jerome Glisse <jglisse@redhat.com>,
Pavel Emelyanov <xemul@virtuozzo.com>,
Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
Martin Cracauer <cracauer@cons.org>,
Denis Plotnikov <dplotnikov@virtuozzo.com>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, Marty McFadden <mcfadden8@llnl.gov>,
Mike Kravetz <mike.kravetz@oracle.com>,
Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
Mike Rapoport <rppt@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
"Kirill A . Shutemov" <kirill@shutemov.name>,
linux-api@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/1] userfaultfd/sysctl: add vm.unprivileged_userfaultfd
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2019 08:20:43 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190320002042.GA8956@xz-x1> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190319182822.GK2727@work-vm>
On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 06:28:23PM +0000, Dr. David Alan Gilbert wrote:
> * Andrew Morton (akpm@linux-foundation.org) wrote:
> > On Tue, 19 Mar 2019 11:07:22 +0800 Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Add a global sysctl knob "vm.unprivileged_userfaultfd" to control
> > > whether userfaultfd is allowed by unprivileged users. When this is
> > > set to zero, only privileged users (root user, or users with the
> > > CAP_SYS_PTRACE capability) will be able to use the userfaultfd
> > > syscalls.
> >
> > Please send along a full description of why you believe Linux needs
> > this feature, for me to add to the changelog. What is the benefit to
> > our users? How will it be used?
> >
> > etcetera. As it was presented I'm seeing no justification for adding
> > the patch!
>
> How about:
>
> ---
> Userfaultfd can be misued to make it easier to exploit existing use-after-free
> (and similar) bugs that might otherwise only make a short window
> or race condition available. By using userfaultfd to stall a kernel
> thread, a malicious program can keep some state, that it wrote, stable
> for an extended period, which it can then access using an existing
> exploit. While it doesn't cause the exploit itself, and while it's not
> the only thing that can stall a kernel thread when accessing a memory location,
> it's one of the few that never needs priviledge.
>
> Add a flag, allowing userfaultfd to be restricted, so that in general
> it won't be useable by arbitrary user programs, but in environments that
> require userfaultfd it can be turned back on.
Thanks for the quick write up, Dave! I definitely should have some
justification in the cover letter and carry it until the last version.
Sorry to be unclear at the first glance.
--
Peter Xu
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2019-03-20 0:20 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-03-19 3:07 [PATCH v2 0/1] userfaultfd: allow to forbid unprivileged users Peter Xu
2019-03-19 3:07 ` Peter Xu
2019-03-19 3:07 ` [PATCH v2 1/1] userfaultfd/sysctl: add vm.unprivileged_userfaultfd Peter Xu
2019-03-19 3:07 ` Peter Xu
2019-03-19 7:11 ` Mike Rapoport
2019-03-19 7:11 ` Mike Rapoport
2019-03-19 18:07 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2019-03-19 18:07 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2019-03-19 18:02 ` Andrew Morton
2019-03-19 18:02 ` Andrew Morton
2019-03-19 18:28 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2019-03-19 18:28 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2019-03-20 0:20 ` Peter Xu [this message]
2019-03-20 0:20 ` Peter Xu
2019-03-20 19:01 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2019-03-20 19:01 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2019-03-21 13:43 ` Luis Chamberlain
2019-03-21 13:43 ` Luis Chamberlain
2019-03-21 21:06 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2019-03-21 21:06 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2019-04-23 22:19 ` Kees Cook
2019-04-23 22:19 ` Kees Cook
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2020-05-27 6:54 Xiaoming Ni
2020-05-27 14:21 ` Peter Xu
2020-05-28 8:50 ` Xiaoming Ni
2020-05-28 12:49 ` Peter Xu
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